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Old 08-15-2006, 05:00 PM
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Don’t worry Tasha … this saga is almost over. Students who are interested in this school should contact the General Medical Council of England. I have posted the phone number for the GMC many times. I think the meat in the student’s comment who created this post is that the US Department of State will not grant a visa for students wanting to attend St. Chris. It is not recognized as a medical college by the UK or the US. That should pretty much tell you everything you need to know.

Why do students take the advice of strangers over the authorities? If, the US Department of Education, Oregon, AND the General Medical Council of England tell you a school is not recognized -- why apply? For those who can’t get into an accredited medical college…. gambling away thousands of dollars won’t solve the problem. You might get a degree but like the BBC uncovered ‘Some Degrees Are Worthless’.
And you had such a great exit going when you asked the admin to close your account on here since you were "done". Now you've gone and wasted and came back to just repeat what you keep saying. Why bother typing it over? Just go back and quote yourself from previous posts?You don't really have anything new to say.
And Tanisha still hasn't addressed my comment about the school her and i attended and how much they'd help her if she ever asked for a non refundable amount of cash back- yeah even with a lawyer tanisha- you know you wouldnt get far getting money back for something like that at your current (my old) university.
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Old 08-16-2006, 07:42 PM
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And you had such a great exit going when you asked the admin to close your account on here since you were "done". Now you've gone and wasted and came back to just repeat what you keep saying. Why bother typing it over? Just go back and quote yourself from previous posts?You don't really have anything new to say.
And Tanisha still hasn't addressed my comment about the school her and i attended and how much they'd help her if she ever asked for a non refundable amount of cash back- yeah even with a lawyer tanisha- you know you wouldnt get far getting money back for something like that at your current (my old) university.
you attended HU (YEAH-YEAH) in dc as I did, correct??????? OK, and??????what is your point????????
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Old 08-16-2006, 09:57 PM
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you attended HU (YEAH-YEAH) in dc as I did, correct??????? OK, and??????what is your point????????
When HU has screwed up in any way- how hard has it been to get money back from them? How fast do things move?
Not very fast.

My point is- be happy you got a non refundable 1000 dollars back- not cocky. In the end if it went to the courts- you'd need a pretty sweet judge to agree of wrongdoing when you signed off on the 1000 dollars as being non refundable and handed your money over.
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Old 08-16-2006, 10:08 PM
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When HU has screwed up in any way- how hard has it been to get money back from them? How fast do things move?
Not very fast.

My point is- be happy you got a non refundable 1000 dollars back- not cocky. In the end if it went to the courts- you'd need a pretty sweet judge to agree of wrongdoing when you signed off on the 1000 dollars as being non refundable and handed your money over.
Not if you could demonstrate that the party that took your $1000 misrepresented what they offered in exchange for the "non-refundable" deposit.

The significant part is that the school is full of misrepresentations. If they trick you into sending $1000 bucks, it is still fraud, even if they claim it is "non refundable".
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Old 08-17-2006, 09:34 AM
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WOW! why are we complaining here? It does not matter if long time ago Tanisha went to a school in DC, what matters here is that she is getting her money. Took her a lot of time and effort but fortunately she is receiving it.

P_ani: I am with you when you said that the school is full of misrepresentations. Also full of parody, distortion, and deception.
But worst; the school is full of people (outsiders) who are destructing and damaging what is left.

The guy who took the students money and ran is still in the streets probbably spending and having a great time. While the people who still in the school have the biggest challenge of heir career.

My transcripts never arrived, my money never came back. The only person I can blame for all that, it is ME.
Why??? Bc I did not accept as true this forums.
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Old 08-17-2006, 10:09 AM
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WOW! why are we complaining here? It does not matter if long time ago Tanisha went to a school in DC, what matters here is that she is getting her money. Took her a lot of time and effort but fortunately she is receiving it.

P_ani: I am with you when you said that the school is full of misrepresentations. Also full of parody, distortion, and deception.
But worst; the school is full of people (outsiders) who are destructing and damaging what is left.

The guy who took the students money and ran is still in the streets probbably spending and having a great time. While the people who still in the school have the biggest challenge of heir career.

My transcripts never arrived, my money never came back. The only person I can blame for all that, it is ME.
Why??? Bc I did not accept as true this forums.
cool. Good luck with that.
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Old 08-17-2006, 01:17 PM
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What are students being told?

I don’t see anywhere on your website where you disclose the licensing problems students will face once they rec’ a degree from your college. You don’t inform US students that St. Chris New is not recognized as an accredited college by the US or UK. This is very important information that they need to know before they send in their $1000.00 sitting fee and hop aboard a flight to the UK. It is actually illegal in a few states now to use an unaccredited degree like the one St. Chris offers. Many other states are considering passing these laws as well. It’s just too expensive for the authorities to investigate new schools on a case by case basis and like we saw in the case of St. Chris Old there has been a great deal of fraud in the foreign medical school community. Students have lost millions. For a list of states which do not permit the use of unaccredited degrees visit Oregon’s site. To say you are ‘accredited by’ Senegal is not enough…St. Chris must be ‘recognized as’ an accredited college ‘by’ the US authorities.

You should also disclose the charter issues that have haunted St. Chris since its conception. Many states require that students attend college within the country of charter…in this case Senegal. St. Chris completely ignored this and has set up shop once again in the UK. You guys tried and failed in Jersey to overturn state laws so you know the trouble your grads will face with licensing boards. The English authority who flew to the US to speak before the NJ board referred to St. Chris as, “A medical school that is not recognized by anyone”.

Are students made aware of these issues before they apply? I know St. Chris students have posted here in the past that it doesn’t matter where you go to Med School -- just how you do on exams. This is a false statement. I’m sure the St. Chris admin don’t say anything like that to students especially… if, the admin knows the student plans to attempt to use a St. Chris degree in the US.

When charging non-refundable fees as high as $1000.00 you owe it to the consumer to disclose not only credentials but the reality of what you are selling.
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Old 08-17-2006, 03:21 PM
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Don't exagerate

Empathy, I know how much faith you have in Oregon, but do not mislead people as well. to say..."St. Chris must be ‘recognized as’ an accredited college ‘by’ the US authorities." Is not true, because only a SELCTED group of States do this, among them, California is the most notorious. As a matter of fact, U.S. authorities do not engage in accrediting foreign schools of any kind. Reason why IMED and WHO are used, as useless as they can be, by most jurisdictions. We CAN recognize but not accredit unless it goes through a porcess like California, New York (for clinical clerkships) and some other states, not even a majority, if you want to include Puerto Rico, (they do their own convalidation).

The U.S Department of Education lists schools for financial aid purposes, not accrediting the degree per se. Reason why students from other than the big 3 Mexico, Dominican Republic and most Eurpoean countries can qualify for financial aid, federal stafford loans. Many students graduated from medical schools that are not listed in the DOE and do not have federal stafford loans and are practicing physicinas in the U.S. empathy. That alone blows up almost your entire argument. How can you explain that?

Bear in mind I am not approving whatever SC did, has done or will do or intend to do. I am just clarifying your misunderstanding on how the word accreditation is lightly used.


I understand the scandal involving SC, but what you are saying is, with all due respect, exagerated, super sized.















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I don’t see anywhere on your website where you disclose the licensing problems students will face once they rec’ a degree from your college. You don’t inform US students that St. Chris New is not recognized as an accredited college by the US or UK. This is very important information that they need to know before they send in their $1000.00 sitting fee and hop aboard a flight to the UK. It is actually illegal in a few states now to use an unaccredited degree like the one St. Chris offers. Many other states are considering passing these laws as well. It’s just too expensive for the authorities to investigate new schools on a case by case basis and like we saw in the case of St. Chris Old there has been a great deal of fraud in the foreign medical school community. Students have lost millions. For a list of states which do not permit the use of unaccredited degrees visit Oregon’s site. To say you are ‘accredited by’ Senegal is not enough…St. Chris must be ‘recognized as’ an accredited college ‘by’ the US authorities.

You should also disclose the charter issues that have haunted St. Chris since its conception. Many states require that students attend college within the country of charter…in this case Senegal. St. Chris completely ignored this and has set up shop once again in the UK. You guys tried and failed in Jersey to overturn state laws so you know the trouble your grads will face with licensing boards. The English authority who flew to the US to speak before the NJ board referred to St. Chris as, “A medical school that is not recognized by anyone”.

Are students made aware of these issues before they apply? I know St. Chris students have posted here in the past that it doesn’t matter where you go to Med School -- just how you do on exams. This is a false statement. I’m sure the St. Chris admin don’t say anything like that to students especially… if, the admin knows the student plans to attempt to use a St. Chris degree in the US.

When charging non-refundable fees as high as $1000.00 you owe it to the consumer to disclose not only credentials but the reality of what you are selling.

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I don’t see anywhere on your website where you disclose the licensing problems students will face once they rec’ a degree from your college. You don’t inform US students that St. Chris New is not recognized as an accredited college by the US or UK. This is very important information that they need to know before they send in their $1000.00 sitting fee and hop aboard a flight to the UK. It is actually illegal in a few states now to use an unaccredited degree like the one St. Chris offers. Many other states are considering passing these laws as well. It’s just too expensive for the authorities to investigate new schools on a case by case basis and like we saw in the case of St. Chris Old there has been a great deal of fraud in the foreign medical school community. Students have lost millions. For a list of states which do not permit the use of unaccredited degrees visit Oregon’s site. To say you are ‘accredited by’ Senegal is not enough…St. Chris must be ‘recognized as’ an accredited college ‘by’ the US authorities.

You should also disclose the charter issues that have haunted St. Chris since its conception. Many states require that students attend college within the country of charter…in this case Senegal. St. Chris completely ignored this and has set up shop once again in the UK. You guys tried and failed in Jersey to overturn state laws so you know the trouble your grads will face with licensing boards. The English authority who flew to the US to speak before the NJ board referred to St. Chris as, “A medical school that is not recognized by anyone”.

Are students made aware of these issues before they apply? I know St. Chris students have posted here in the past that it doesn’t matter where you go to Med School -- just how you do on exams. This is a false statement. I’m sure the St. Chris admin don’t say anything like that to students especially… if, the admin knows the student plans to attempt to use a St. Chris degree in the US.

When charging non-refundable fees as high as $1000.00 you owe it to the consumer to disclose not only credentials but the reality of what you are selling.
At least Skeptic spends time on more than just this forum. You choose to troll on just this forum- and your argument- it can be applied to alot of the other schools on vmd- yet i haven't seen you posting all this "neutral", "for truth, justice, and american way" inspired messages on say Spartan's forum, Windsor, Xavier. Why is that?
I'm done debating- im just curious why you dont post on any other forums and ALL your posts on this forum are the same- well except for when you say goodbye and then end up coming back a week later. Anyways- i'm not really worried- i dont think too many people take you that seriously; even though i know you aspire to be as revered as skeptic.
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Old 08-17-2006, 07:17 PM
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Semantics semantics

Hi there,

I hope that this doesn't add fuel to anyone's fire, I think we are all trying to understand one another here (for the most part) and it seems that this issue of accreditation "by" someone might need clarifying.

I think what empathy was trying to say was not that the US authorities accredit the university themselves but that the accreditation itself requires acceptance. The world is full of bogus accreditation authorities (see the wikipedia article here) and as the article states an accreditation authority has to be recognised (in America) by either the US Dept of Education or the Council on Higher Education Accreditation and whilst the government of Senegal isn't listed here basically its accreditation is considered worthless by him/her based on the lack of recognition from these bodies.

Whether this is true or not, I don't know, I haven't made the phone calls or talked to the people who matter. I'm just trying to clarify what was effectively a semantic point rather than a factual one.
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