i disagree with much of this...first of all, azskeptic doesn't need to be qualified to ask questions. the issues he brings up are valid, and stimulate good discussion. discussion leads to accurate info. bts and mtt both do a good job of getting info out, but both have made statements that later turned out to be false. and, as moderators and students of the school, they should know to put out accurate information. so, the burden of responsibility for dispersement of accurate information is clearly on those of us who actually attend the schools.

i really don't see any of the questions brought up being used as a recruitment tool for any other specific school. certainly, it has been brought up many times that st chris lags behind some other schools in some categories, such as licensure, disclosure of clinical sites, and residency placements, just to name a few. those are just facts, and other schools are better options in many, if not most, situations. these are things that prospective students should be aware of.

so, i can see the frustration you feel when you read a lot of these posts. however, much of it is accurate, and you simply are happy with the decision you made. you cannot expect everyone to see things through your eyes, and students doing research benefit much more when they are made aware of potential problems.

in short, there is no question that st chris is a growing school, with lots to offer. it has come a long way in a short while, but there are still some significant issues and growing pains to overcome. all i ask of st chris students is what i attempt to practice myself. transparence when discussing the school you attend. just facts, and balance the good with the bad. if you follow my posts on charles, i think it is pretty clear that i try to do that. it would be great for lots of americans to come here, and it would help me and the school. but, it is much more fair to let those interested make informed decisions, so i try NOT to emphasize any postive features. i notice that other mods on other forums act in a similar manner. sure, they are happy there, but they give good and bad points equal air time. with st chris, nearly every post turns out to have an inaccuracy, and when it is pointed out, it is considered bashing. that is why you have so many folks paying so much attention to everything that is said here.

also, futr, you do have the bad habit of turning everything into a personal battle. in your professional life, you will have to learn to deal with folks that you disagree with, while treating them with respect. i am sure you are quite capable of it, but you choose not to demonstrate it here. i think that it would help us to understand your point of view better, and you might actually make some headway if you added some respect to your posts.

umm, mtt, do you really want to go there?

Where do you want to start? Licensure? Clinicals? The fact that SC-Luton grads cannot be licensed in Senegal, the country of charter, without fluency in French? (I hope flunency in French is a requirement for SC-Luton students, otherwise, people may point out to US licensing boards that Luton grads are not licensible in it's own country of charter, Senegal.)

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I have had little if anything in the past 3 or 4 months to say about the school. I have defended BTS and MTT against fabrications and allegations of lying, extortion, and bank robbery, all of which were unfounded. I quoted people I knew of things and those were immediately interpreted as Admin quotes. They were not. I relayed information that I got, without disclosing where I got it and felt it was inconsequential since I was merely relaying information. I was called a liar and a shill...better yet, someone suggested I was paid. I loved that one.

My frustration is apparent - yes. An SGU recruiter frequently entertains himself on here and yet does not even disclose that he is a recruiter for SGU. He acts as if he is just being a kind humanitarian. Please. I wasn't born yesterday. AZ acts like a world expert and fails to disclose properly that he has no creditials of any kind that make his research and opinion any mroe valid that a hooker from Brooklyn who does the same thing. Its incredible that credibility is not an issue with some people. They question ours, but never others. Brilliant.

We have a lot of residents who are available to answer these pithy questions and yet people come here to distort and misrepresent what is said. It's sad. Plenty of others OUTSIDE Luton who are 3rd and 4th years sing nothing but praises of the school and yet here you and others are tearing it down. Based on what? what is said here? The info here is so incomplete that even if BTS disclosed EVERYTHING he remotely knew...it would still be incomplete. You can't know until you talk to those whom you feel are responsible for running the institution in person so you can get a feel for who they are, their body language, et al.

This forum has become useless. What ever became of that one person who claimed they were going to reveal all? Never happened. Guess they either transferred out, were mafia'd, or were thrown into that famous SC prison cell huh?

Just look at the post above this one by Picard. what is the implication? If you go to SC and can't speak French, you'll never get a license. Who is challenging him on it? Certainly not the Mod. So it goes on hanging in the air as if no one can get licensed if they go to SC and it is not true. It is a complete fabrication and should not be left unanswered, but I won't be answering him or you any more. Its a waste of time. nothing comes of it anyway. you will neither be convinced here, nor would you in person I believe. You have your mind made up, so there you are.

best of luck wherever you end up.

I wasn't the one who said you were paid by SC. Now, if you are implying that I'm the SGU recruiter, well, I'm going to ask you to STOP CLAIMING THINGS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. It's NOT a secret I graduated from SGU. It's NOT a secret that I'm an interviewer for SGU for which SGU pays me 50 dollars per interview where I spend over an hour with the applicant plus paperwork. I get pay much more moonlighting in the ER. It's not a secret that SGU reimburses travel costs for alumni who attend open houses to answer questions... rightfully so. Now, I don't "recruit" for SGU. I don't get paid to do so. And SGU is not for everyone. I often advise applicants with borderline credentials for US schools to wait and reapply to US schools. I acknowledge that there are other alternatives to SGU when I interview applicants. Show me when did I ever say (on this SC board) "go to SGU..." I merely point out shortcomings of SC, and the fact that mis-information is plentiful here, spread by students who claim to be SC students acting on their own... You are right, this forum is USELESS -- it's full of ** misinformations from alleged SC students.

So, before you start spreading ANOTHER RUMOR about "SGU recruiters" not "disclosing himself".... Please STOP and GROWUP.... or, o use your own quote....
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Academic Hospitalist/Assist. Professor of Medicine, Star Fleet Medical, Earth, United Federation of Planets
Borg-Certified... Resistance is Futile.

In Glock, We Trust... Everyone Else... Keep Your Hands Where I Can See Them.

http://www.odmp.org/search.php?searc...=2001&cause=27
http://www.nypdangels.com/wtc.htm
http://www.hampsteadnh.us/police/A%2...ica%20Died.htm
http://longmontpolice.com/MEMORIAM.HTM

first of all, the where are the allegations of lying, etc? there HAS been misinformation put out by both of them, whether you believe it or not. now, i don't believe it was maliciously done, but the fact is that a lot of that misinformation would never be exposed if it wasn't for questions asked by those outside the school.

second, you ask for credibility from az continually. well, he is merely bringing up issues, which turn up some good information. the only credibility question's i see are from a school that allows misinformation to spread, and indeed helps to spread it. yes, i am again refering to licensing issues that were claimed true in the past (ok in 48 states, if i recall the claim correctly). also, there are some credibility issues when students set up web sites, and give strongly biased sugar coated testimonials. personally, i don't think that is appropriate for students to do, and i have yet to see students from other schools do such a thing.

i, for one, don't think you are a liar or a shill, and have never said as much. i don't think you contribute anything useful, i think you have your head buried in the sand to potential problems with the school, and i think it is irresponsible of you to expect students to come to st chris without being exposed to all of the questions that are out there. you are correct when you state that information will always be incomplete. but, you are nuts if you think that each prospective student should travel to every school he is applying to, and only then can an informed decision be made. there are lots of schools out there that don't require this kind of detective work, they have excellent reputations, lots of graduates and no questions yet to be answered.

i did read the post by picard, and while i agree that it is a bit dramatic, the point is still valid, whether you care to agree or not. i don't think anyone here doubts that a st chris grad will be able to get licensed somewhere. however, there are many, many issues that POTENTIALLY may cause problems down the line. the dramatic fashion of making these points is directly in line with the dramatic positive descriptions of st chris over the history of the school.

you are wrong about the forum. it helps many, many folks. i have been involved in many threads, discussions, chats, phone calls, etc...with folks from this board looking for information. many of them decided not to attend your school because the assigned more importance to things that you do not feel matter, or that you are confident will not be issues. that is fine for you, but i am personally glad that folks can make an informed decision (or at least a MORE informed decision) and go where they truly feel comfortable.

no other school on this forum has these issues. all of us participate in other forums, positives and negatives are discussed, and rarely does the conversation grow this heated. is that simply because we all hate st chris and want it to fail? no. it is simply because others are more inclined to look upon the school and situation and honestly assess the positives and negatives. no downplaying the issues.

look, you mention that there are plenty of people "singing the praises" of st chris. what i don't think you realize is that that is exactly the problem. not enough people are taking a look at the hard questions and aknowledging that there may be issues. all it takes is when someone says "what about licensing", the response is an unqualified "we don't know". that is the kind of response that is honest, and nobody can fault you if there are honest statements made.