nice vendetta against somebody that tries to speak the truth.

he must have some truth to his statements as he got banned.

The peopele here that speak the truth get banned. If Azskeptic wasn't a moderator he'd have been banned long ago.

Insecure folks can't be challenged. Pity

Can a moderator get a warning or be banned?

As soon as pigs reach V2 and rotate

The Poster became banned after many PM's from the MODS (not just one) It had to do with personal attacks, after those PMs warnings were issued for new posts that contained new attacks or refusal to edit such posts. A new attack tonight caused a new warning and the person was automaticaly banned for 7 days. Those who have already been banned and continue to post violations that get a warning will be banned automaticaly (this is by the system not the MOD) ............So be careful what you say about this, it was not about the school it was about Terms of Service violation.

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Didn't mean for my post to be misconstrued. It was not directed towards you, Whuds. It was just a general question to see if moderators were, like G W (the pres of the US), "immune from prosecution."

well said.

http://www.valuemd.com/relaxing-loun...e-vmd-mod.html

Nope but it's done in the Mod forum By others and Admin. You may never know, but yes Mods are disicplined in some way and if too bad they are "De throwned" so to speak. It has happened, but if I told you I'd have to .................................................. ..

Well you know....

If anyone has a problem with any mod please email the Admin here.
They do read the emails also know that all actions are recorded, Mods have a lot of "Paper work" when they perform an action. ( it really is a lot of work more than you will ever know .....unless your a mod)

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I raised the issue out of basic fairness. Besides, it's not of historical interest only since the stigma created by these early schools is pervasive and persistent.

It's also a shoddy tactic to criticize a particular school that has been in existence a few years (and one that you personally don't like) for not being California approved, yet be an apologist for another school (one that you do like) that went through a similar process. It must not be a very good marketing ploy to advertise "It only took our school 17 years to obtain approval" since that information isn't listed on the schools' web sites. But you honest types don't mention any of that, do you?

Two years ago, every regular poster and moderator on ValueMD critiqued the school I chose to attend. The constant themes were --Where are the graduates?---Show me somebody in residency---What are the pass rates? etc., etc., etc. The school was only a couple if years old and, under the best of circumstances, wouldn't have had any students who had progressed that far---but the pontificating masses on ValueMD didn't acknowledge those truths. Instead, everybody wanted to puff up their egos and appear parental and experienced and attempted to scare potential students away from the school. And you all sure didn't like me standing up to you. And you don't like it much now, either. There's a consistent attempt to label me as a cheerleader. Odd that I would choose some of the underdogs if that was my inclination. There persists efforts to portray that school as a lesser school. No honest soul steps forward to state that the school may not have a 10,000 book library or a multiple grant-based research program, but its graduates are getting high scores on the USMLE and progressing as well as graduates from any other school. No, there's a group of regular posters who like to drop one-liners sniping at a school--which is why I call you jackals...nipping at the heels.

There's a LOT more I could say on this topic. But I think people can see my drift. I fully expect the regular smart-alecks to come by with their one-liners and display their lack of maturity. But if bringing up the history of the early schools annoys you---oh dear god---then good. Your erzatz elitism wears thin.

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Hello everyone,

I am a former St. Chris student who has left the school recently and has decided to restart at one of the big 3 carib schools. The purpose of this message is to; #1 agree with medques on all of his/her complaints with St Chris, and to #2 tell you, if you are considering St Christopher's, to do all of your research on all foreign medical schools before deciding to go there. After having spent a couple of semesters there, I feel cheated and used.

Everything that I am writing on this post is true. You can PM me if you want more information about me individually and check up my credentials.

Here is my true story:

I, similar to medques (who I do not know by the way), watched a presentation in my city in Canada, and was told the exact same things as medques - that by 2007/2008, the school would be fully accredited by the UK, that difficult states would be no problem for licensure (such as Cali), and that there was an affiliation with a major US school (i.e. John Hopkins).

Even though at that time I had read warning posts about St Christopher’s (which were even up before I had decided to go there), my parents and I agreed that lifestyle in England would be a lot better than in the Caribbean. That was my sole deciding factor really. And also the fact that the presentation done in my city was great, and made St. Christopher's look like a great future medical school.

I had heard horrible things about the administration before going there, but I thought "whatever, its all good, as long as I'm not in the Caribbean.” However, on the first day I arrived in Luton, problems began with the housing coordinator K G. The problems never ceased with housing the entire time I was there.

The administration at the Luton campus is like this: One or sometimes two 18-20 year-old female receptionists, and lots of other people working more than one job inside. The room is about the size of a bedroom. It is horrid. And to think that these young little girls are the ones organizing my clinical rotations and scheduling my medical exams - is unbelievable. Also, I had heard that getting transcripts sent out was ridiculous. It is true. Since they do not have your grades computerized, the administration in New Jersey manually prints your grades on a template, and it can take up to 3 weeks just to send one out (even with a 10 dollar fee). Even though they have a “new” registrar, it still takes forever. Another thing about the administration is that in England you are treated like children. It is like you are in high school all over again. I have never once been treated like that at my former undergraduate institution. They give you no respect, as medical students should. In fact they do not respect your investment at all, it is as if they know in the back of their minds that you cannot go anywhere else (discussed later). In fact this is one of the major reasons I had decided to leave. Another thing about the administration is that they will not tell you anything directly. When the GMC suspension first occurred, students first heard about the news on the news. The rumors spread like crazy, and it was at least a week before the administration said anything to the students to calm them down. Also, this new ECFMG ban is HUGE. DO NOT believe a single thing people say on here, regardless of however positive it may seem. Even if the ECFMG thing is sorted out, there is a major reason why this is happening. Look at the facts - first, the GMC (General Medical Council of Britain) bans us from taking the PLAB, which is bad enough, but everybody thought, "sure, we just can't practice in Britain, but we can still practice in the States - and it’s probably a temporary ban anyway..." Then, the Cleveland clinic story began (discussed in other posts) - everyone's like "ok, we'll just do our fifth semester in Luton." At the same time, our dean disappears because of illness - everyone's like, "ok, he's probably really sick, that’s why he's been gone for a couple months." But now, what everyone has feared has ACTUALLY happened. THE UNITED STATES has placed a hold on writing the USMLE. Obviously guys/girls, just take it as it is, there is something wrong with the school! HELLO???? Wake up!! No matter what people say, it is now written, and people have been banned from writing the most critical exam in medical school. My friend (who I will not name - but I can tell you if you PM me) is currently applying to write the USMLE, but was REFUSED, as they currently do not even accept applications from St Chris students. In fact, they said that if they receive an application, it will be returned to sender, so they won't even put it on hold. No matter what you think right now, that is one of the WORST things that can happen to a medical school. I'm sorry to say that, but not being able to write the USMLE means you cannot do clinical rotations. Even if it is a temporary ban, it is NOT GOOD you guys!! My friend who is currently applying right now has to transfer to another school, get her credits sorted out, and then reapply to the ECFMG in order to write the USMLE - and the administration told her that it would be about 3 weeks to send her transcripts to another school!!!! How dare they.

Just to note: The administration is reason alone to leave St Christopher’s College of Medicine.

So that said about the administration, lets move on to the faculty. Many professors are great. Many professors are not so great. It’s about average. So I'm not going to say too much about that. But the weirdest thing was, random professors and random deans would suddenly disappear from England. None of us would know where they went. One day you're in epidemiology, and then the next day it’s cancelled because Dr _ left. Its weird I tell you. And very very fishy.

Another thing about St Chris (which I have nothing against) is that it is a very conservative environment. I mean, again, I have nothing against other people's beliefs, but it is VERY conservative. It is not what you expect for a medical school in England, which is a very liberal country. This is just to let you know, nothing wrong with it, but just thought you should know if you're thinking of going to St Chris.

Therefore, in the end, after too many lies, too many problems, being treated like children, and the administration having no respect for the students, I decided to leave - like many others.

You’re probably wondering though, “Why are there so many students still at St Chris? And why do they seem to have so much hope?” Let me tell you why from experience. The students there have no other choice. This is one of the few foreign medical schools that have no MCAT requirement. So straight up, if you haven't done the MCAT, you can only apply to very few other places (and none of the big carib schools btw). So that’s the first thing. Second of all, the students came here wanting to take the easy route to becoming a doctor. Getting in, getting through and coming back to the states. I applied to St Chris about 3 weeks before the beginning of the semester, got accepted, and went. The interview process was another whole story - it was done on the phone, and the only question I was asked was, "have you contacted the LMCC to determine whether you can practice in Canada after graduating from this school?" - and I said “no,” and then he said, "make sure you do it, but everything looks good, so you should get ready to leave for England and get your visa prepared." I'm not saying that anyone can get accepted to St Chris, but I knew students over there with a 2.2 GPA, and no MCAT who still got in - come on guys... come on… It should be a little more difficult to get into medical school. So, not only the MCAT requirement throws people off from applying elsewhere, these students CANNOT get ACCEPTED anywhere else.

So in conclusion, I am one of the luckiest St Chris students because I had options, I had great grades and high MCAT scores. All I want from you, whoever is reading this (if you're thinking about St Chris as an option), is to make sure you write the MCAT regardless of whether it is required at your school - it can save your life, and for you to do ALL the research possible. If anything questionable comes up - question it, and get all the information you can. Going to medical school is a MAJOR decision in your life. It is also a CAREER (i.e. long term) decision. DO NOT choose your school based on location (like I did); choose your school based on credentials.

I am ready to sue St Chris, but I'm not going to do it alone. I already have a group of 4 that are ready to do so. If you do too, and want your money back because of investing in a school with false promises, and wasting your life and precious money, PM me.

I'm out.

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