Thread: Impossible States? .. What about Max?????

Impossible states at the moment are California, New Mexico and Tennessee. But, we will be trying to change the law regarding these states when we come to them.

-- Allan ****e reply to SamaraMD




wait a minute .. what about max??? poor guy .. someone better tell him!

Originally Posted by alchemist

Speaking of propoganda. Careful what you accuse me of there Max (or whoever wrote that for you). I'm not on here to bash my school. Accuse me again and maybe I won't sugarcoat my posts next time and actually flip out some "facts" not on the website.

what did he accuse you for?

That was probably just a misprint from alchemist ( I dont know who that is ).

Originally Posted by max*********

Hello to all..time to set the record straight.
For all of you who dont know me..Im Max ********* and I am a general surgery resident through the University of Tennessee and presently doing surgical research at the Cleveland Clinic. I am only on here because someone passed on the link for me to see. Firstly, I already have my resident license through Tennessee so please dont worry about me. There are a ton of FMG's in this state and always will be. As far as I have heard there are no restrictions in this state. That was probably just a misprint from alchemist ( I dont know who that is ). Anways, I will plead with you guys not to waste your time on these sites. They are full of rumors have truths and whatever else likes to say just to push your buttons.
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Note this post http://www.valuemd.com/viewtopic.php?t=10850

Note also alchemist pointed out the error.

It was actually your own Managing Director of your school that disavowed you. You might want to let him know you exist so that he does not spread "rumors have truths and whatever else".

Originally Posted by max*********

Hello to all..time to set the record straight.
For all of you who dont know me..Im Max ********* and I am a general surgery resident through the University of Tennessee and presently doing surgical research at the Cleveland Clinic. I am only on here because someone passed on the link for me to see. Firstly, I already have my resident license through Tennessee so please dont worry about me. There are a ton of FMG's in this state and always will be. As far as I have heard there are no restrictions in this state. That was probably just a misprint from alchemist ( I dont know who that is ). Anways, I will plead with you guys not to waste your time on these sites. They are full of rumors have truths and whatever else likes to say just to push your buttons. I went through everything at St. Chris and did what everyone said was impossible..becoming a general surgeon at a major university program. How many US or foreign residents can say that they have trained at the Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic? Guys...just take care of YOUR OWN BUSINESS and St. Chris will do the rest. Trust in that! The school is getting bigger and better every day. Dr. ***** and the directors care about your education and your success. If you dont succeed it reflects upon them. As for the people who like to spread propaganda and other rumors, send me an email and then I will be happy to set you straight. And for those of you who truly want to succeed, open a book, make things happen for yourself, and get ahead! Excuse me aswell, I have to go and read.
Best of luck. I hope this is the last email you ever read on these web sites.
Max

Well, Dr. Max congrats on your success. However, as you may be aware residencies and licensing are 2 different things..many states allow you to do residencies but may not license you. But there will be at least one state (if the list keeps dropping from the original 48 SC claimed) that will license you.

Originally Posted by alchemist

Speaking of propoganda. Careful what you accuse me of there Max (or whoever wrote that for you). I'm not on here to bash my school. Accuse me again and maybe I won't sugarcoat my posts next time and actually flip out some "facts" not on the website.

Alchemist,

You have issued several "threats" to users who say anything you dislike. That is not really productive or appropriate. If you have something to say, then great... say it. If not, please do not threaten people.

It was I who posted the original statement that Tennessee is a problem state, not alchemist. But that was only an email I received from Mr. ****. It is very possible that it was just a typo on his part. If you guys are interested in this state, just check for yourself, as I did with the states I was interested in. The only way to find out the truth is to go directly to the decision makers.

Everyone,
Sorry if my comments stepped on a few toes. They really werent intended in that fashion at all. To the person who made the comment about the difference between residency and final licensing, I do agree with you, some states are different in that regard and I am well aware of it.
BUT...I have also researched Tennessee and that state is fine from my brief inquiries. From my memory I think that Texas may have been the state which was difficult to get licensed in. Furthermore, I didnt mean to suggest that alchemist was spreading propaganda. What I wanted to come across was a general comment for all of those people who look at these messages. Many of them have information that isnt always 100% accurate. A student sees that and takes it to heart. Before you know it, that info has spread like wild fire and conflict starts. Please focus on much more constructive things than these forums. And if anyone is ultimately concerned, I dont plan on staying in Tennessee so it isnt an issue at all.
Best luck to all.. Study!!!

Max, You had it right the first time. No need to waste your time on this forum. It is filled with disgruntled students and recruiters for other schools disguising themselves as "concerned" IMG's.

It's good to see an SC grad on the forum. Glad to hear that things are working out for you. Hope licensing goes well for you in the near future.

But, that does not change the fact that SC faces serious challenges in the licensing arena... and I think it's very unfair to characterized other "concern IMG's" as "recruiters" for other schools. We are here to point out licensing issues -- fundamental to survivals of any IMG's -- that SC faces, and the fact that SC admin has been LESS THAN HONEST about and MISLEADS potential applicants -- It took OUTSIDERS to point out problems with NJ, KS, VT, PA, TX... etc. SC is NOT fine in 48 states like the admin claims... So, before you start pointing fingers at "outsiders," please look at the behavior of SC admin. Yes, SC may be providing a good education -- I'm not contesting that because I don't know, I've never been to SC. But one does not need to be an SC student to point out LICENSING issues SC faces. And if SC students choose to ignore them, fine -- don't mislead potential students into doing so without giving them a chance to make INFORMED decisions -- something as physicians you will need to learn to provide.

There is a great push in the established US medical community to adopt "California" model of licensing IMG's. More and more states are looking to California, both in the medical community and in the news media... this should be a warning call to all IMG's to look closely at current licensing trends and future political climates. Personally, I believe the smart thing for SC to do is to leave Luton and move back to Senegal, so that the charter issue is solved... The US licensing laws aside, SC Luton is now "tolerated" by the UK system... who is to say that 5, 10 years down the line, with a new legislature, UK won't pass laws banning all schools unacreditted by the UK system? Many US jurisdictions have already done that. And as the current political wind goes, the fact that Luton SC is circumventing it's host country's (UK) accreditation laws will become an issue in more and more US licensing jurisdictions -- and medical boards of various states have gone back and suspend/revoke medical licenses on physicians whose medical schools have come under scrutiny and deemed "inadequate," AFTER the license was issued.

So, licensing issue is a biggie for any IMG's. And I feel it's very unfair for a basic science student to come on the board and accuse other "concerned IMG"s" for pointing out the shortcomings of SC's licensing challenges, especially when the SC admin itself has been less than truthful.

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The school does NOT have all of the supposed licensing problems that you suggest. It is like any other new school, when people call state boards they are treated with scepticism until they are able to fully investigate the school in question. The states you mentioned do not know anything about SC and when they do, THEN it can be said that they do not approve SC grads. Until that time, it is ALL ASSUMPTION. Plus, you shouldn't talk about people revealing things about states approval. St. George is NOT APPROVED IN IDAHO. That whole, "we are approved in 50 states" ** is not true and the school lies about that all the time. I called today and specifically asked "How many states is St. George APPROVED in?" The women on the phone said "all 50".

Move the luton campus to senegal? Get real. Not only is there no need for that, it is pure propoganda to suggest that England would want us out. If they were unhappy with the situation, they would have taken advantage of political momentum and asked us to leave with MCL. That is just stupid. They have several laws specifically in place to allow schools like us to exist. As long as we follow the rules (like we do), we will not be asked to leave.

Originally Posted by bts4202

The school does NOT have all of the supposed licensing problems that you suggest. It is like any other new school, when people call state boards they are treated with scepticism until they are able to fully investigate the school in question. The states you mentioned do not know anything about SC and when they do, THEN it can be said that they do not approve SC grads. Until that time, it is ALL ASSUMPTION. Plus, you shouldn't talk about people revealing things about states approval. St. George is NOT APPROVED IN IDAHO. That whole, "we are approved in 50 states" ** is not true and the school lies about that all the time. I called today and specifically asked "How many states is St. George APPROVED in?" The women on the phone said "all 50".

Move the luton campus to senegal? Get real. Not only is there no need for that, it is pure propoganda to suggest that England would want us out. If they were unhappy with the situation, they would have taken advantage of political momentum and asked us to leave with MCL. That is just stupid. They have several laws specifically in place to allow schools like us to exist. As long as we follow the rules (like we do), we will not be asked to leave.

I'm just an eggman,as you have suggested in the past, but from conversations I had recently I'd personally say there are more problems than what you are saying here. But let's wait and see what the article says. Could be that the person writing the article was just talking....az skeptic