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    Residency in NY for Spartan Grads ???

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    I am posting this thread to explore the possibility of doing residency in the state of NY after graduating from Spartan. My understanding based on research is that Spartan graduates are not elligible for residency as the school is not approved by the NY State Department of Education.

    Following is a direct excerpt from the website of Winthrop Hospital Graduate Medical Education page: http://www.winthrop.org/departments/education/gme/ap.cfm

    New York State Department of Health regulations limit non-LCME accredited international medical school graduates from participating in New York State residency programs if their training has included more than 12 weeks of clinical clerkships outside of the country in which the medical school is located unless the NYS Education Department has approved the school. A current list of the approved medical schools can be found at the NYSED website:

    I would also like you to read the following directive published by the New York Dept of Health to all Residency Program Directors. Pay close attention to information on Page 3 http://www.gnyha.org/4707/File.aspx

    Spartan, like most other caribbean schools offer clinical rotations in the US (which is definitely more than 12 weeks outside St Lucia). And for sure doesnt offer any in St. Lucia. So how is it that spartan grads could do residency traning in NY ?

    Some of the pro-Spartan posters state that they have contacted the state board and that several of their gradutes have completed residency training in the State of New York. I would like to know how they circumvented this restriction. Can any one of those graduates second this claim ? Can any pro-spartans post a link where readers can verify the claim that spartan graduates can or have done residency in NY ?
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    I have directly emailed the NY board myself and received a similar response to what you have posted. I'm really curious as to what Spartan grads are being told. Apparently, it's something different than what the NY Medical board is telling everyone else.
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    Good post dr.thunder... Somebody make this a sticky... So there are no further arguements - ever.

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    im going to take this questions to the dr.g the dean, and see if he can give me some answers that will verify some of these questions for you guys.
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    [quote=dr.thunder;1050365]I am posting this thread to explore the possibility of doing residency in the state of NY after graduating from Spartan. My understanding based on research is that Spartan graduates are not elligible for residency as the school is not approved by the NY State Department of Education.

    Following is a direct excerpt from the website of Winthrop Hospital Graduate Medical Education page: http://www.winthrop.org/departments/education/gme/ap.cfm

    New York State Department of Health regulations limit non-LCME accredited international medical school graduates from participating in New York State residency programs if their training has included more than 12 weeks of clinical clerkships outside of the country in which the medical school is located unless the NYS Education Department has approved the school. A current list of the approved medical schools can be found at the NYSED website:

    I would also like you to read the following directive published by the New York Dept of Health to all Residency Program Directors. Pay close attention to information on Page 3 http://www.gnyha.org/4707/File.aspx

    Spartan, like most other caribbean schools offer clinical rotations in the US (which is definitely more than 12 weeks outside St Lucia). And for sure doesnt offer any in St. Lucia. So how is it that spartan grads could do residency traning in NY ?

    Some of the pro-Spartan posters state that they have contacted the state board and that several of their gradutes have completed residency training in the State of New York. I would like to know how they circumvented this restriction. Can any one of those graduates second this claim ? Can any pro-spartans post a link where readers can verify the claim that spartan graduates can or have done residency in NY ?[/quote

    Dear Dr. Thunder,
    If i may please ask you, Are you a student at Spartan? If not, then I want to highlight that its not your genuine concern but only a thread posted to mislead viewers who value everything posted on valuemd. All those who are with Spartan have never had problems as stated by you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mace806 View Post
    im going to take this questions to the dr.g the dean, and see if he can give me some answers that will verify some of these questions for you guys.
    Just a suggestion. Why don't you ask the boards first. Afterall dean G. will not be granting you licensure. The boards will. After the boards answer your questions you can follow up with dean G. Good luck.

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    Am I a student at Spartan ??? - NO WAY !

    Quote Originally Posted by classof2008 View Post
    Dear Dr. Thunder,
    If i may please ask you, Are you a student at Spartan? If not, then I want to highlight that its not your genuine concern but only a thread posted to mislead viewers who value everything posted on valuemd. All those who are with Spartan have never had problems as stated by you.
    Dear classof2008,

    It doesnt matter whether I go to Spartan or not. This is a public forum. I was concerned by the misleading statements made by specialknyc and yourself on the topic of NY residency.

    I am not stating that Spartan will have problems... I am just pointing out information published by the New York State department which implies that Spartan Graduates cannot do residency in NY. Viewers will value official publications from State Health Depts. So I posted a link where they can go and verify the information for themselves.

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    Now that is a sensible direction to go !

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    im going to take this questions to the dr.g the dean, and see if he can give me some answers that will verify some of these questions for you guys.
    I sure do appreciate that. I would love to hear the dean's view on this. Please keep us posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.thunder View Post
    Dear classof2008,

    It doesnt matter whether I go to Spartan or not. This is a public forum. I was concerned by the misleading statements made by specialknyc and yourself on the topic of NY residency.



    I am not stating that Spartan will have problems... I am just pointing out information published by the New York State department which implies that Spartan Graduates cannot do residency in NY. Viewers will value official publications from State Health Depts. So I posted a link where they can go and verify the information for themselves.

    Thunder:

    I do appreciate your effort information that is correct. I too have read these same items and did previously come to the same conclusion as you. I am in no way trying to mislead any person from SHSU or any other institution.

    As I have said I have spoken to several people about this as well as had conversations via email and although the BOE and DOH states these things you have posted I have been assured by them that these laws are not set in stone. There is the possibility of non approved schools to do a residency in NYS (according to what has been said to me both over the phone and via email - by several people at several different levels, several times). I am not pursuing any more information on this topic until I am at the point I need to worry about my residency. Wherever I end up I will let this forum (and all those who lurk on it)know the process I went through and if in fact the information I was provided in indeed true.

    I am obviously a *pro SHSU* person as stated, however I never intentionally mislead people. I make an attempt to give the facts to the best of my knowledge. I do not argue what you are saying I just argue how legitimate this *RULE OF LAW* may be. I have no choice to let this stand in favor of your side of this for the time being as I am not willing to call out and make public the people I spoke to nor the emails I was sent.

    To the best of my knowledge what I am saying is correct and accurate. Hopefully soon this will not even be a back and forth conversation. I am honestly surprised with all the carib and foreign doctors in high level positions today that they have not taken more steps to improve the process for their predecessors. In fact, despite the improvements there may be, they have not done nearly enough in my opinion.

    If asked if I attended the carib school (I assume) you attend(ed) I would undoubtedly have the same response as you - NO WAY!

    I say this as I have stated before I opted for SHSU over larger schools such as ROSS because I simply preferred the smaller class setting, a closer relationship with my prof's with the total lack of a *free-for-all* *kill or be killed* environment. This is why I chose SHSU, this is why many chose and transfer to SHSU from schools that are much larger and offer less to their students in the way of actual Prof. to student ratios and one-on-one time with their prof's. These are my reasons for choosing this University and in my opinion it offers much more in the way of educational opportunity when compared to some of the larger universities for the reasons I have stated. Of course they have their own respective perks as well, simply non that interested me. This school is one of the oldest in the carib. the fact that it did not dim out like a burnt candle means something in the come-and-go environment of the carib. The school decided to stay small and not advance as many of the larger ones did. Now there is a new owner and I feel we will see many improvements over time. Just my opinion though. Good luck to you in all your medical endeavors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by specialknyc View Post
    Thunder:
    I say this as I have stated before I opted for SHSU over larger schools such as ROSS because I simply preferred the smaller class setting, a closer relationship with my prof's with the total lack of a *free-for-all* *kill or be killed* environment. This is why I chose SHSU, this is why many chose and transfer to SHSU from schools that are much larger and offer less to their students in the way of actual Prof. to student ratios and one-on-one time with their prof's. These are my reasons for choosing this University and in my opinion it offers much more in the way of educational opportunity when compared to some of the larger universities for the reasons I have stated. Of course they have their own respective perks as well, simply non that interested me. This school is one of the oldest in the carib. the fact that it did not dim out like a burnt candle means something in the come-and-go environment of the carib. The school decided to stay small and not advance as many of the larger ones did. Now there is a new owner and I feel we will see many improvements over time. Just my opinion though. Good luck to you in all your medical endeavors.
    You chose a school with no state approval over a school that has all 50 states because of small class sizes? Spartan does not offer any loans, whereas the others do. Saba only has 75 students a semester roughly, I would call that relatively small. You can say you chose Spartan for several reasons, but to say you chose them over schools that are at the top, is a little difficult to understand. I am by no means attacking you or accusing you of anything, I am just simply trying to understand. Good luck to you in your future endeavors.
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