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    dr.thunder is offline Junior Member 510 points
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    Residency in NY for Spartan Grads ???

    I am posting this thread to explore the possibility of doing residency in the state of NY after graduating from Spartan. My understanding based on research is that Spartan graduates are not elligible for residency as the school is not approved by the NY State Department of Education.

    Following is a direct excerpt from the website of Winthrop Hospital Graduate Medical Education page: http://www.winthrop.org/departments/education/gme/ap.cfm

    New York State Department of Health regulations limit non-LCME accredited international medical school graduates from participating in New York State residency programs if their training has included more than 12 weeks of clinical clerkships outside of the country in which the medical school is located unless the NYS Education Department has approved the school. A current list of the approved medical schools can be found at the NYSED website:

    I would also like you to read the following directive published by the New York Dept of Health to all Residency Program Directors. Pay close attention to information on Page 3 http://www.gnyha.org/4707/File.aspx

    Spartan, like most other caribbean schools offer clinical rotations in the US (which is definitely more than 12 weeks outside St Lucia). And for sure doesnt offer any in St. Lucia. So how is it that spartan grads could do residency traning in NY ?

    Some of the pro-Spartan posters state that they have contacted the state board and that several of their gradutes have completed residency training in the State of New York. I would like to know how they circumvented this restriction. Can any one of those graduates second this claim ? Can any pro-spartans post a link where readers can verify the claim that spartan graduates can or have done residency in NY ?
    Last edited by dr.thunder; 03-02-2009 at 09:55 AM. Reason: this one is for you specialknyc and classof2008

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    Your reference to the State Education Law is precise but the interpretation is off. Many Spartan graduates completed residency in the Empire State and many more are practicing, licensed physicians. The 12-week clerkship limit is within the State of NY for non-approved schools. Originally written by ***********, the intent of the 12-week or less 'short term letter' allows a medical clerk from a non-approved school to, (i) rotate in a NY teaching hospital without taking/passing what we now know as USMLE Step 1, or (ii) allow a medical clerk whether from an approved or non-approved school to rotate in a teaching hospital that does not have a long term, affiliation agreement with the student's medical school.
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    So What do you think of the program?

    Those you recently graduating, were you able to get a residency?

    Did you finish the program in 4 years or less?

    Has anyone heard about New York acceptance??

    New students, what do you think of your professors? Can they talk clearly in English?

    Has many people failed out of basic sciences since the recent updates?

    Many thanks to all who can answer.
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    Formerly known as "cooldreams"

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    Many have graduated, many have become landscapers...but those who graduated are now successful licensed physicians including in the State of NY and even in California. SUNY Downstate, UCLA, Johns Hopkins, Henry Ford? Check the national database of licensed physicians and where they graduated...no data on the landscapers. Sorry. Tuition is the cheapest. Good value for those who do not want to take loans. The approvals from other states is still a bummer. The equalizer is always board certification and reciprocity.

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    i think one can be liscenced in NYS with the Form 2CC "clerkship verification form" on the NYSED website, serving for those non LCME schools that are not listed as NY approved schools. I still don't know if one can do a residency in NY. It's just complicated and directors usually avoid complicated applicants. it's really sad though because NY is known to be the most IMG friendly and employ gradutes from all over the world from schools you can't even pronounce yet a school that has 3rd & 4th yr rotations in US affiliated hospitals is being discriminated like this. Why is it not fully approved and why the petty complications ?
    step 1 (x);
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    Clearly, a long way to go.

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    dr.thunder is offline Junior Member 510 points
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    I started this thread a while back. I thought it was appropriate to acknowledge that Spartan graduates can now do residency in NY state as of December 2009. Congrats on the new found status.
    I hate it when people make statments and dont provide links for readers to verify them !!! Hidden Content

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    ^wow congrats

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    WOW thanks a Great News!!!

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    NY State License

    I'm in a slightly different position as most of you as I've already completed residency, am board certified and in fellowship training. I was touching base with the NY licensing people for additional training in NY and the message that they gave me (bare with me, this is a bit confusing)..

    1. I am elegible for a state license where I currently live
    2. Therefore I am eligible for a state license in NY (some kind of reciprocity)
    3. Therefore I could not be refused a NY state TRAINING license since I am eligible for a full NY license.

    Sorry, I know this doesn't help those of you straight out of clinicals, but something to think about down the road.

    As well, I know atleast 2 Spartan grads who were removed from residency (2004/2005) from NY, so I don't think it's perfectly clear yet if we can do residency in NY.

    Here's a quote from one residency web site:

    "New York State regulations state that GME training programs cannot accept international medical school graduates who have done more than 12 weeks of clerkship training outside of the country where the medical school is located. (There is a list of international medical schools that are exempt from this regulation; the list is included on the External Clerkship Attestation Form). The coordinator must have all international medical school graduates who are applying for positions complete and sign the External Clerkship Attestation form."
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    SHSU is NYS approved, so I can see no issue with doing a NY residency or completing all clerkships in NY.

    Reciprocity used to be a lot easier going state from state. Things have changed now, but I do believe NY is a state where reciprocity still applies (although I admit I am no expert on that subject).
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    Need info

    Hello Everyone
    I need more info concerning spartan
    I am actually completing pre med at MUA . I am thinking about transfering for basic science after that i had realised that anyway most of the teacher are foreigner in all of these schools and all of these school are in the carribean . Why should i pay extra thousand of dollars. Is it worst it.
    Also i understand that Spartan is recognised by new york state but i am unable to find anything writing about this fact on NYDOE. Thanks for your help

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