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    greendogz is offline Junior Member
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    New York, New York

    Hey, thought I'd weigh in on the whole NY debate and whether Spartan students can do anything there, so I sent this e-mail:

    MEDBD@MAIL.NYSED.GOV
    Dear Mr. Monahan,

    I hope you can help me with some information that I've been trying to attain for several months but have been unable to get a clear cut answer. I am a graduate of Spartan Health Sciences SOM located in St. Lucia, West Indies.

    I am inquiring about the eligibility of Spartan grads to attain licensure in the state of New York. I have heard many different stories but would like to here a definitive answer from the Board office. I am interested in fellowship opportunities in NY and would also like to know about the possibility of training licenses for Spartan grads.

    I would frankly like to know what are the requirements for licensure in NY and whether or not Spartan grads are eligible. I very much appreciate your assistance with this matter and look forward to hearing from you.

    Sincerely,

    And here was the response:

    Spartan is an unaccredited and unapproved medical school. Licensure can only be determined individually at the time of application. Grads of Spartan are prohibited from doing residency training anywhere in NYS and students may not do clerkships in NYS.

    Douglas P ******
    New York State Board for Medicine
    39 Washington Avenue
    Albany, NY 12234
    (518)474-3817 ext. 560
    d******@mail.nysed.gov
    Fax - (518)486-4846


    So that's the answer that I got. Feel free to contact the above individual. I had called a couple of years back and was told the same thing. That's not to say, however, that there are not Spartan Grads doing residency there ILLEGALLY - I personally know a few, but they risk their career if they get caught. As to whether we can get private licenses in NY, the e-mail seems a bit ambiguous. I've sent a similar e-mail to Florida and I'll post a reply when I get the chance. If you want answers for specific states, I recommend contacting the appropriate authorities as I have done.

    I'm not trying to rag on Spartan, just making sure people know what they're getting into.

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    many licensed physicians from this school appeared for board review & APPROVED!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott1981
    ive seen a st james FP grad in SUNY stoney brook.
    I am not expert on this but as a person who researched many issues on the internet including NY licensure issue I can give my personal unofficial personal thoughts on the subject:
    First let me comment on zeus77 statment:has anyone ever been caught?
    That is unrealistic statment because every state in this country if they require resident permit or not must be aware of every and each practioner in that state with complete details and credentials review,in addition to that all directors of residency programs well aware of the state rules and it would not be hard to post the names of half dozens of unapproved schools on their desk nor they are interested to violate any laws.as per my internet search I found Spartan grads did residency at Columbia,then now attending at Cornell,another at Columbia who trained at SUNY downstate,and dozens and dozens like that,to be complete in my search I looked at many board of medicine minutes and many of such grads appreared for interview and usually all board members and other personell[like licensure technicians supervisors present in such meeting,from my reading they never touched the issue of approval,one example a person spartan grad appeared because he started med school in Domanican republic and they were counting and looking at clinicals weeks,the other example I read is one spartan grad trained in NY and practiced in NY but he had over billing the government issue and the license was revocated but reinstated and my point such physician appreared many many times by full board for non-medical school issues reviews,and medical school unlisted never came up in the board discussions.
    I have read an e mail reply here from board agent stating that unapproved grads not eligible for residency and on state license forum someone also said 100%sure no residency in NY and they may be right but as a person who review the official authorities like board members and program directors as well as seeing tons of doctors practicing and trained in NY,I must assume that NY law focus on CLERKSHIPS.
    my conclusion as an interested consumer that every and each physician trained and practing in any state including NY is being put under the microscope these days and reviewed by the board of respective state
    and that's what I read in boards minutes,if any state not aware of its residents and attendings then they must look at their practices however as the FSMB stated in their report :state licensure is the toughest ever in screening candidates now[not exact quote].

    EXAMPLE[TAKEN FROM RECENT NY LICENSURE BOARD PETITION/ FULL BOARD MINUTES]/PUBLIC INTERNET INFO/YOU CAN FIND MANY EXAMPLES LIKE THAT:
    "MEDICINE
    #...deleted

    name address deleted
    (Spartan Health Sciences University, Saint Lucia, M.D., May ...)

    Petition for: Acceptance of medical education under the guidelines for graduates of CETEC, CIFAS, and UTESA.

    Statement of Problem: Dr. .... graduated from Spartan Health Sciences University, Saint Lucia, in .... Dr. ....entered Spartan Health Sciences University in ...with advanced standing based on his studies at the American University of the Caribbean and Universidad CETEC. CETEC was one of three schools disciplined by the government of the Dominican Republic for fraudulent practices. The New York State Board of Regents established criteria for acceptance of clinical training performed by CETEC, CIFAS, and UTESA graduates in U.S. hospitals. Dr. .... presented evidence of 51 weeks of clinical training in obstetrics and gynecology, general surgery, internal medicine, pediatrics, and cardiology to fulfill the Regents criteria. However, the 8 weeks in cardiology that he completed do not meet Regents criteria, which require that the clerkships be completed in hospitals that participate in programs of medical education with at least one medical school in addition to CETEC, CIFAS, or UTESA. Dr. ....completed his cardiology clerkship in a physician's office rather than a hospital.

    As a student at Spartan Health Sciences University, Dr. .....completed an additional 32 weeks of clinical clerkships in psychiatry, emergency medicine, family medicine, ophthalmology, physical medicine, pathology, and radiology. He completed an accredited residency program in obstetrics/gynecology at SUNY Health Sciences Center, Syracuse, New York. Additionally, Dr. ...is certified by The American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology. In the opinion of staff, Dr. .... education and training fulfill the intent of the Regents criteria./"
    approved

    this is just one example[residency in NY/full license in NY/AND full deep discussions by all board members about credentials...!!! ,you can find many many more....Spartan approval never mentioned once in the board discussion....

    PERSONAL OPINION AND PUBLIC INTERNET INFO SHARED.

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    the truth

    Hello,
    There have been many people to do residency in New York from Spartan
    and they have done very well; many were chief residents in their program.
    Spartan students have been doing rotations in New York but they have to
    do some extra paperwork and are limited in the number of months they
    can do. Their has been some negative publicity about the some schools
    from the West Indies perpetuated by a few negative people who cannot
    stand that some hard working people are pursuing their dream of becoming
    physicians and succeeding. Most of these people are US citizens taking
    government and private loans for their education who willing to make
    personal sacrifices to study abroad. Instead of the negativity look at
    all the graduates who are thriving and have succeeded; these are the stories
    that should be told to the federation of state medical boards and various
    state boards.

    regards,
    fammed2002

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    Quote Originally Posted by fammed2002
    Hello,
    There have been many people to do residency in New York from Spartan
    and they have done very well; many were chief residents in their program.
    Spartan students have been doing rotations in New York but they have to
    do some extra paperwork and are limited in the number of months they
    can do. Their has been some negative publicity about the some schools
    from the West Indies perpetuated by a few negative people who cannot
    stand that some hard working people are pursuing their dream of becoming
    physicians and succeeding. Most of these people are US citizens taking
    government and private loans for their education who willing to make
    personal sacrifices to study abroad. Instead of the negativity look at
    all the graduates who are thriving and have succeeded; these are the stories
    that should be told to the federation of state medical boards and various
    state boards.

    regards,
    fammed2002
    Agree,above one example of outstanding attending with Columbia university hospital double board certified in top hospital in the nation...
    taken from hospital "find a doctor" website,some info deleted for privacy.





    Affiliated with:






    name..MD


    Attending, Department of DELETED, St. Luke's-Roosevelt/Columbia College
    of Physicians & Surgeons University hospital


    Medical Specialty

    Insurance

    Board Certifications
    American Board of ....., 1996
    American Board of ....., [subspeciality] Diseases, 2000

    Medical School
    Spartan Health Sciences University, West Indies, USA, 1987
    Residency Training
    ..... Medicine, SUNY Kings County Hospital Center, Brooklyn, NY, 1995
    Fellowship
    ..... Medicine, SUNY Kings County Hospital Center, Brooklyn, NY, 1997-1998
    ...... Medicine, SUNY Kings County Hospital Center, Brooklyn, NY, 1996-1997

    Address
    DELETED




    *All Board Certifications and Subspecialty Certifications are granted by The American Board of Medical Specialties, unless otherwise noted.




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    There are residents from Spartan all over NY and they do require licensing board permit[usually given to the hospital from what I was told by someone trained at SUNY] and as above messages verify that NY licensing board reviews applicants and aware of spartan doing residency anf fully license in NY:
    MY PERSONAL CONCLUSION:
    NY allows spartan students to do max 12 wks rotation,they are allowed to do residency and recieve full license and that is based on there info I obtained from the NY board minutes and hospitals websites in NY and I hope that people in the hundreds slow down in calling board offices because except for California,Licensures can be reviewed on case-by-case basis and that was also my personal experince.





    THE RESIDENTS




    Our Family Practice Residents come from all walks of life. They are a progressive and enthusiastic group who spring from a variety of cultural, ethnic and religious backgrounds. However they all share the same commitment to Family Practice and to providing health care in an urban setting.

    Graduates from our program can be found practicing in urban (including Brooklyn and New York City), suburban and rural settings. They are involved in solo and group practices as well as academic programs.

    another example taken from SUNY downstate hospital website[names deleted].


    Residents 2003-2004


    Medical School
    Spartan Health Science Univ. of Medicine St. Lucia, West Indies
    Mysore Medical College, India
    Aga Khan University, Pakistan
    Univ. Internacional De Las Americas
    University of The East, Phillipines
    New York Medical College, USA


    Ross University, Dominica
    Ross University, Dominica
    University of Nigeria, Nigeria
    Cittagong Medical College, India
    Univ. of Santo ******, Phillippines
    State Facility of Medicine and
    Pharmacy Haiti

    Univ. of Santo Tomas, Phillippines
    Univ. of The West Indies, Jamaica
    Univ. of Santo Tomas, Phillippines
    Univ. of The West Indies, Trinidad
    Pontificia Univ. Catolica Madre y
    Maestra, Dom. Rep.





    personal info from internet research shared.













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