Originally Posted by Questions

I also think the school should collect the information (which I think they've recently started or least attempted to start), but it still won't make the number verifiable. St. Chris claims 90% first time pass rate, but many say it's not true. There is no way for us to confirm this number either way so what's the point? Would you be happier if Spartan made up some rough estimate without proof (like other schools)? Than they'd be accussed of "lying", so it's a no-win situation. Yes, they should collect it, but NO, they don't. The fact remains that there is no official number available.

Originally Posted by rxmaan

"Spartan is approved for Stafford Loans, and we are currently taking care of some paper work to finalize the process." "The loans should be ready for the Fall 2003... if not we are definitely aiming for Winter 2004"

Originally Posted by theprofessor

When I was in med school I was distracted with rumors,articles,angry students,I decided with my classmates to close our ears and ignore pass rates because there is no such thing,all you need is 100% pass rate for you and you only & who cares about others alleged statistics.
I consider myself neutral in my openion,many schools try to play with words and statistics,others lists all clerkships hospitals faculty as their own full time employees so their faculty list get inflated on their websites,the majority of my class of 85 passed[I know at least 10 out of 20 students passed] and for me it was 100% success rate because I passed.
When you go for residency the issue of med school will be folded and your priorities become doing excellent job,then you go on to FLEX,then speciality boards and become expert in your field.Except for one or two states that is not possible to be licensed,when a board members look at your credentials with diplomas from USA med schools[residency],excellent references,board certification,they will know you are qualified and will vote you in and biochemistry and human embryology courses will be of least important[no body remembers much of basic sciences by the time they start practice,I know because I been there and all my ivy league partners told me so].
the CT article attacked US schools,Mexican,Phillipinos schools,included St Georges and others,and including Spartan,so why at Spartan site loaded with concerns and only one concern at AUG and everyone else on the other forums focusing on more important issues.
Why the CT article did not mention that 2 doctors from FL won physician of the year awads for excellence,one grad is founder of top pharm.co,many professors/assistant professors in *** *** ******s such as Boston,Brown,Harvard,Baylor,one simply can not say all carribean,mexican,American[the one mentioned in the article]and phillipino grads are all bad because simply its not true.I invite anyone interested to go to state board displines/malpractice section and see the long list and school of graduation.

the road to success is difficult and if you lose your focus and energy in the beginning it will be hard to reach your goals.
The article bares no importance in the decision making of State boards because such boards do not need articles to decide,if they have concerns they will have special requirements for the unapproved schools[3 yrs residency,license elsewhere 5 years,and BC]
This articles did not tell anything knew and the only message it had is Spartan[and most other schools]disapproved in CA/IN and that's all.

Originally Posted by Questions

If Spartan did announce that Stafford were currently available than I agree that it would be wrong of them. But that was not the case from my understanding. People (I think youself included) got mad at them for not releasing information about the Staffords. The most they said was "we're in the process". If they ever do say that they're finally reinstated for Staffords, it's fairly easy to verify from that point. If that happens and we find that it's a lie, I'll be the first to openly complain about it. Until then, like many of us have always said, don't expect it and make alternative plans, and if it happens than that's just a bonus. But to enroll in a school with the hopes that it will be available is not a wise move in my opinion.

I didn't say the prospective student was stupid, I simply agreed with him that paying the deposit because he assumed the Staffords would be available was a stupid move. Myself and many others have always said that people should attend a school based on its current status and not its future status. By going against this advice than I think he can only blame himself.

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Originally Posted by dt

Time to withdraw this comment? Cause there are now witnesses (current students).

Originally Posted by anotherstudent

spartan cannot get approval, because spartan is not eligible to apply for the loan.

before spartan would be consider as an eligible candidate for stafford loans, the country of st. lucia would have to be approved first. and they were not approved.so applying and being approved went out the window long time ago. so you guys got a BIG FAT LIE told to you.