Thread: St. Mary & Elizabeth Medical Center, IL

I just found out I will be going here for OB.
Has anyone done their OB rotation here?


Do we go to both hospitals?

Thanks

You won't be at either one of those hospitals. You will most likely be at Norwegian if you're doing OB, but don't take my word for it. I'm saying this so you can plan ahead and look for living close by the actual hospital that you'll be rotating at.

Oh wow thanks.
Is this the address?
1044 N Francisco Ave
Chicago, IL 60622
(773) 292-8200

Did you do your OB at St. Mary & Elizabeth Medical Center, IL which turned out to be Norweigain American?

Oh..let me know what do you find out. I'm going there for OB in feb16

I am currently doing ER at Norwegian American. It is no level 1 trauma center or anything (like sinai), but it is nice and we get some good cases. Subarachnoid Hemorrhage today!

Anyway. I did OB at Sinai, but ran into some people doing OB at Norwegian. They did not have good things to say, apparently they are not allowed to do any "hands on" action. They are there to "watch and learn." This is what I heard from a student doing the rotation there.

It's not that bad though, I don't think you have a tough schedule and or that many call nights.. So be thankful, because OB at Sinai is a very tough rotation, but you learn a bunch.. good luck, try to get in there and get dirty on a few deliveries. ew

I'm currently doing my Ob-Gyn rotation at St. Mary's/St. Elizabeth, which actually turned out to be Norwegian American Hospital. The address posted above is correct. This rotation is a complete joke. The attending you'll be following is Dr. B, he's an extremely nice guy, but he doesn't teach you anything so be prepared to read read read! The first day all 8 of us (6 from SMU, 1 from Ross, 1 from St. Eustatius) arrived at 8am, Dr. B divided us into 2 groups of 4. He told us 4 should stay from 7am til 130pm and the second group should come in 130pm til 7pm. At 130pm, we'll all meet in his office for a student presentation on random topic he decides. He works 3 days a week and has an occasional night call from 7pm til 7am. There are no on-call rooms so he expects you to stay awake the entire night just sitting by the nurses station waiting for something to happen. Some days/nights there is absolutely nothing to do and other days there are some things to do. It's never busy! For example, the patient will present to the ED where an initial H&P is done, then the patient is moved to the 5th floor triage room where the ob-gyn nurse will see the patient first and do an H & P, then you can go in and see the patient and do the THIRD History, but not physical. Students were told not to perform any pelvic exams, and yet this is an OB-GYN rotation.........kind of dumb if you ask me. Oh yeah the biggest kick of all is 75-80% of the patients only speak SPANISH, thus you have to make friends with a bilingual nurse to even conduct the "H." Sometimes the nurses are nice and other times you just want to stay away from them because their having a bad day. The attending also told us that he only does OB and if you want to learn about the GYN part of the rotation to read or tag along with another attending on your days off. GREAT! Dr. B also said he'd teach us how to suture (i.e. 1 hand, 2 hand ties), I've already done surgery and I'm interested in surgery so I learned how to tie in my surgery rotation. He tired to teach the other fellow students, but he did an awful job of it, causing the students to become frustrated with the learning process. I learned an easy approach to learning how to tie, so I decided to help them learn how to tie. Once he saw me teaching them how to tie, he left and disappeared to his call room (~10pm)/was nowhere to be found for til 645 am on our night call. It was IF you're interested in obtaining an Ob-GYN residency or are considering this field, then don't do this rotation. When we (the students currently in this rotation) approached the school about our concerns regarding this rotation, we were reassured by the school it was GREEN, but there is no way in hell this is a Green rotation. The school told us they were resolve the problem and let us know about their resolution. Guess what, it's the beginning of the 4th week and we haven't heard anything from the school regarding resolution. The only reassuring thing about this rotation is there is a Ross student in with us and usually Ross only places their students in Green rotations or rotations that are Green under the Family Practice umbrella. I guess the best thing about this rotation is I've been able to study for Step 2 and hangout with my girlfriend a ton, other than that the school completely wasted my money. As a side note, I only have Peds left to do, and by far this has been my worst rotation. Honestly, I've done 1 "hands-on" thing and that was the other night when I delivered the placenta of one of the other attendings' patient.

Originally Posted by J10sstar

The only reassuring thing about this rotation is there is a Ross student in with us and usually Ross only places their students in Green rotations or rotations that are Green under the Family Practice umbrella.

I was wondering about this site and how it was "Greenbook" until you mentioned the FM umbrella. Either way, I'm sorry about your experience and I hope the OP has a somewhat better experience. From what I get out of our clinical sites so far, it's very hit-or-miss and the vast majority of the students' experiences can be attributed to the attending physician in charge of their learning. I can name only a handful where the experience is consistently good.

Here's hoping to get placed into one of those sites in the next round of RAF's...

Originally Posted by J10sstar

I'm currently doing my Ob-Gyn rotation at St. Mary's/St. Elizabeth, which actually turned out to be Norwegian American Hospital. The address posted above is correct. This rotation is a complete joke. The attending you'll be following is Dr. B, he's an extremely nice guy, but he doesn't teach you anything so be prepared to read read read! The first day all 8 of us (6 from SMU, 1 from Ross, 1 from St. Eustatius) arrived at 8am, Dr. B divided us into 2 groups of 4. He told us 4 should stay from 7am til 130pm and the second group should come in 130pm til 7pm. At 130pm, we'll all meet in his office for a student presentation on random topic he decides. He works 3 days a week and has an occasional night call from 7pm til 7am. There are no on-call rooms so he expects you to stay awake the entire night just sitting by the nurses station waiting for something to happen. Some days/nights there is absolutely nothing to do and other days there are some things to do. It's never busy! For example, the patient will present to the ED where an initial H&P is done, then the patient is moved to the 5th floor triage room where the ob-gyn nurse will see the patient first and do an H & P, then you can go in and see the patient and do the THIRD History, but not physical. Students were told not to perform any pelvic exams, and yet this is an OB-GYN rotation.........kind of dumb if you ask me. Oh yeah the biggest kick of all is 75-80% of the patients only speak SPANISH, thus you have to make friends with a bilingual nurse to even conduct the "H." Sometimes the nurses are nice and other times you just want to stay away from them because their having a bad day. The attending also told us that he only does OB and if you want to learn about the GYN part of the rotation to read or tag along with another attending on your days off. GREAT! Dr. B also said he'd teach us how to suture (i.e. 1 hand, 2 hand ties), I've already done surgery and I'm interested in surgery so I learned how to tie in my surgery rotation. He tired to teach the other fellow students, but he did an awful job of it, causing the students to become frustrated with the learning process. I learned an easy approach to learning how to tie, so I decided to help them learn how to tie. Once he saw me teaching them how to tie, he left and disappeared to his call room (~10pm)/was nowhere to be found for til 645 am on our night call. It was IF you're interested in obtaining an Ob-GYN residency or are considering this field, then don't do this rotation. When we (the students currently in this rotation) approached the school about our concerns regarding this rotation, we were reassured by the school it was GREEN, but there is no way in hell this is a Green rotation. The school told us they were resolve the problem and let us know about their resolution. Guess what, it's the beginning of the 4th week and we haven't heard anything from the school regarding resolution. The only reassuring thing about this rotation is there is a Ross student in with us and usually Ross only places their students in Green rotations or rotations that are Green under the Family Practice umbrella. I guess the best thing about this rotation is I've been able to study for Step 2 and hangout with my girlfriend a ton, other than that the school completely wasted my money. As a side note, I only have Peds left to do, and by far this has been my worst rotation. Honestly, I've done 1 "hands-on" thing and that was the other night when I delivered the placenta of one of the other attendings' patient.

Thanks for the heads up... If it wasn't back to back, i wouldn't even consider this location.

I was told the "family umbrella" doesn't work anymore. I was told that in order to get credit for a rotation being green it had to have a residency program at the hospital you are at and have an ACGME number. If it does not have these things it is not green so you might want to look a little deeper into that claim to make sure it is what you were told it is.

they actually told me to go to st bernards hospital for OB rotation, anyone done rotations there?