Thread: Residency chances after graduating

I'm a third year student trying to calculate the dangers of coming to Saba. Lets say for arguement's sake that after coming to Saba you pass everything and get a score of 80 on the Step 1. How likely are you to get ANY residency in the States as a Canadian student (I'm not picky at all)? What is the match percentage of all Saba students that actually make it this far and pass the Step 1 on their first try?

I'm trying to gauge what risks there are even after passing everything and doing all you can to get good scores ie. what is out of your hands.

Thanks a lot

Originally Posted by thxleave

The thing is....this is all hindsight. Before the events occurred, people panicked and argued for these apocalypses. Look at 1999 before Y2K, there was a lot of "factual" basis on the Y2k crisis. This isn't even recent, look at the Malthusian trap, where people in the past believed we were going to die out due to overpopulation in the 1800's. It's 2012 and we still have a lot of land left, and technological progress that increase the efficiency of farming. I'm not saying it'll get easier or stay the same, I am in agreement more with Seattle about the residency issue. I'm betting the US government don't want the TOP 3 Caribbean schools to fail, because think about all the money they are going to lose with the Stafford student loans that go into default. Also, all this assumption is based on residency not increasing at a faster pace, and schools to open at the same pace. It's 2012 and a lot of the schools predicted to be opened now has been delayed another year or two due to economic times. There is now a lot of political effort to increase primary care residency. In business sense, I don't think Devry University is going to let their recent medical school purchases fail, I'm pretty sure CM don't want that 100M contract with HHC hospitals to go to waste also. Like I said I don't disagree with residency being more competitive, but you are definitely exaggerating the CERTAINTY of it being impossible to get a residency.

Which schools have delayed opening? Even without these alleged schools, the US matriculating class this year was greater than the residency spots they had for 2011. It's beyond the control of Devry or med schools and hospitals in the US to fight this because it's a pure issue of numbers. I never said this was a sure thing either, because you're right: The US might expand residencies to accommodate the extra X million people who are now insured in the country.

The bad part is that we're not worrying about things changing...they HAVE changed already. New students have to hope that they will change back by the US adding more residency spots. This is why it's different than some doomsday theory because the future climate is already proven and we're only hoping that it gets better. I think we can agree that if the ratio remains the way it is right now, only the very top Caribbean students or those who get lucky will match over a US student.

I also think its becoming fairly likely that the primary care shortage will be solved with extenders (NPs, PAs) before medicare shells out $ for major residency additions.

New schools delayed: LCME: Overview: Accreditation and the LCME
List includes CMU and UCR which is opening a year or two late. If you Google the topic, a lot of schools pop up. In fact here's article that say 25% of LCME schools delayed opening. – 25 percent of developing medical colleges delay submitting their LCME application | Central Michigan Life
So they aren't alleged schools being delayed.

Your calculations is including DO students which many go through their own AOA match. As for DO students competing against Caribbean MD in NRMP, that's a different topic. Some argue different states and hospital have different preferences. Which in this thread you got bashed for claiming DO gets match in NRMP easier compared to Caribbean MD: http://www.valuemd.com/st-georges-un...ml#post1317060

As I said, you can't see the future, things change easily. There are residency expansion plans already in progress, and there is a lot of political pressure that is pushing for this expansion. New residencies being created, yeah primary care, but they are still residency: HHS awards $320 million to expand primary care workforce

Corporations lobby in order to serve their own interest, I don't see how it's out of Devry's control, along with med schools. Guess how DO schools get recognition as MD equivalent? Tons of money thrown at politicians and lawyers. It's important to be aware of this issue, and make a decision of going to Caribbean medical schools in this political environment. Yet, to throw out quotes saying only very top Caribbean students will ever match is way too assertive for anyone to say. Only fact is that it'll get tougher for IMG to match in the future, but the extent whether it is the very top student (USMLE 220+) or mediocre student (200-220, almost average but not poor) suffering is hard to discern. Even with the situation as it is right now.

Is anyone aware of the NAC OCSE examination provided by CEHPEA for IMGs wanting to practice in Ontario? The site seems to encourage writing it, but does not mandate it for gaining a residency. I wanted to know if anyone know's someone who has gained a residency in Canada and their position as to writing this. It does cost $2k and doesn't have any data proving its value so I'm skeptical of considering it. Also, if you do recommend it, when would you suggest to write it?

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Originally Posted by subconscious

Is anyone aware of the NAC OCSE examination provided by CEHPEA for IMGs wanting to practice in Ontario? The site seems to encourage writing it, but does not mandate it for gaining a residency. I wanted to know if anyone know's someone who has gained a residency in Canada and their position as to writing this. It does cost $2k and doesn't have any data proving its value so I'm skeptical of considering it. Also, if you do recommend it, when would you suggest to write it?

You don'\t have to write it if you're a new grad (w/i two years from graduating). You need to write the MCCEE. However, if you do bad on the MCCEE the NAC OSCE will help.