clinicals...

[AmericanIMG]

hey guys,
i just had a quick Q regarding your clinicals (i have a cousin who will be applying to Saba in a few months and am just getting more info on the school for personal interest).
i noticed that on the Saba site you have several hospitals in great locations (NC, MD, etc), but which of these offer the Cores in green because of residency, and which offer Cores in green because of the FP umbrella? just a quick Q, would really appreciate an answer, or perhaps point me to an admin that i could call for the info.

here is the list of hospitals from your site

• Harbor Hospital Center, Baltimore, MD
• Union Memorial Hospital, Baltimore, MD
• Spring Grove Hospital, Catonsville, MD
• Holy Cross Hospital, Silver Springs, MD
• Greater Southeast Community Hospital, Washington, D.C.
• Brookdale Hospital, NY
• Peninsula General Hospital, NY
• Bridgeport Hospital, Bridgeport, CT
• Cape Cod Hospital, Hyannis, MA
• Jackson Park Hospital, Chicago, IL
• St. Anthony Medical Center, Chicago, IL
• St. Joseph Hospital, Elgin, IL
• St. Luke's Hospital, Kansas City, MO
• St. Mary's Hospital, St. Louis, MO
• Brentwood Behavioral Health, Shreveport, LA
• Leonard J. Chabert Hospital, LA
• Lafayette General Hospital, LA
• Ridgeview Institute, GA
• Cherry Hospital, Goldsboro, NC
• Columbus County Hospital, Whiteville, NC
• Winding Roads Health Consortium, WV

thanks!

[omega's]

The phone number for Gardner is on the site and Sandy is the clinicals coordinator.

Please post what you find out.

Thanks!

[AmericanIMG]

i sent out an email 2 days ago...no reply.

Richard

[AmericanIMG]

ok i got a reply saying that some of the hospitals are no longer used and to go to AMA to check Freida to see what is green...kinda lame answer, but i will do the legwork. looks good though.

Richard

[AmericanIMG]

hmm after more questioning i was simply told that students come in and find out about clinicals during their 5th term...so i guess they don't want to answer my Qs.

R

[ol' man]

Sounds like the kind of answers I always got when I was at MUA (same Gardner office).

[Spm97]

Arrrrgh!

Have you considered the reasons that youe question goes unanswered? Perhaps the people in Gardner are kept "balls to the wall" busy providing services to the people who are actually in theor clinical years? I know that if I had to wait longer for a response from my clinical coordinator because she was inundated with hundreds of requests for the same information, I'd be a little peeved.

Wait, maybe the answer is that the hospitals are clearly listed and all you really have to do is use FREIDA Online (http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/2997.html) to get the info that you need? For example, when I enter in the Ochsner residency programs in Ob/Gyn and Surgery, the site lists Leonard J. Chabert medical Center in Houma, Louisiana as one site for resident training. This example would mean that those 2 cores are "green book" in Houma (not the only 2). See how easily this question can be answered using information that you already have? All it takes is a little effort. I have yet to hear about a Saba student who didn't get a residency because he/she didn't have all green book cores. Of course, California is now on the table.

However, this could all be a waste of time if someone would point out a few obvious facts. First, you must focus on what is important. The school has a very good reputation and its students are high achievers, based on USMLE scores, residencies and numbers of chief residents among its alumni. Second, the time to inquire about green book rotations is when you are sitting down with the clinical coordinator to schedule them. Yes, the coordinator visits Saba every semester to meet with each 5th semester student individually. Green book rotations are definitely available, but why waste them on students who never intend to practice in a state that requires them? Third, you must decide if YOU are right for medical education in a place like Saba. The island is not for everyone. Its not a vacation mecca like St. Maarten. There are serious adjustments to your lifestyle that must be made when you attend Saba. "Small" does not even begin to describe the island. If you crave crowds and night life, then Saba is not for you. However, if you want to spend your pre-clinical years living in a place with few, if any distractions, then you may be right for Saba.

The big 4 (or 5) in the Caribbean offer pretty much the same opportunities to their graduates, but each does so in its own unique way. I have spent time with students from the other schools discussing the similarities and differences. Its up to you to find the school that matches best with your needs and personality.

Hope this helped...

[AmericanIMG]

i could look up every hosp on FREIDA and see which are green but that doesn't give me the answers that i am looking for; specifically which are green that are open to Saba students or have many spots that are available. Also if "hundreds" of requests are being made, why doesnt Saba just make a list of the hospitals and next to them write in what rotations are available in green, and star the greens that are under the FP label? this seems to not only make student's life easier, but also the admin so they wouldnt have to deal with the "hundreds" of requests.

I understand the island is small, and the population isnt really a factor for me or my cousin. We have another cousin that recently finished Basics over at AUC, and i am about to finish at St Matts. It is between AUC, Saba and SMU for my cousin, so i want to get as much info as possible; obviously i have alot of the info for SMU and my other cousin has alot for AUC, but Saba is the question mark right now...and it doesn't seem like many of the qs that i have will be answered.

another thing that you have to think about is LICENSURE, not just residency. many states don't accept FP umbrella greens as greens, and this is again why i asked the clinical rep at Saba for some answers. It would be terrible to finish school and residency only to hear you are not given licensure due to an elective or two or a core or two that was green in your eyes and your school's eyes but not in the states eyes.

[gianefiasco]

Originally Posted by AmericanIMG

i could look up every hosp on FREIDA and see which are green but that doesn't give me the answers that i am looking for; specifically which are green that are open to Saba students or have many spots that are available. Also if "hundreds" of requests are being made, why doesnt Saba just make a list of the hospitals and next to them write in what rotations are available in green, and star the greens that are under the FP label? this seems to not only make student's life easier, but also the admin so they wouldnt have to deal with the "hundreds" of requests.

I understand the island is small, and the population isnt really a factor for me or my cousin. We have another cousin that recently finished Basics over at AUC, and i am about to finish at St Matts. It is between AUC, Saba and SMU for my cousin, so i want to get as much info as possible; obviously i have alot of the info for SMU and my other cousin has alot for AUC, but Saba is the question mark right now...and it doesn't seem like many of the qs that i have will be answered.

another thing that you have to think about is LICENSURE, not just residency. many states don't accept FP umbrella greens as greens, and this is again why i asked the clinical rep at Saba for some answers. It would be terrible to finish school and residency only to hear you are not given licensure due to an elective or two or a core or two that was green in your eyes and your school's eyes but not in the states eyes.

I agree the website should be clearer on what hospitals offer green book rotations in which specialty. Copnsidering how important this information is , it should be prominently placed on the webpage of listed schools.

[ChronoTriggerMed]

I believe that there is an easier way to find out which rotations are greenbook. By definition, a greenbook rotation is a rotation done at a hospital that has a residency program in that particular area and that the program is ACGME approved, no? So then, the best way to look up hospitals is to go directly to ACGME's web site (www.acgme.org) -> list sponsored programs by state.

But since I've already researched this data, here it is:

(Some hospitals may have been omitted b/c they were not listed on Saba's web site).

* = ACGME approved CORE rotation in...
X = Not ACGME approved in any area...

Harbor Hospital Center, Baltimore, MD * (IM).
Union Memorial Hospital, Baltimore, MD * (IM, Surgery).
Spring Grove Hospital, Catonsville, MD X
Holy Cross Hospital, Silver Springs, MD X
Greater Southeast Community Hospital, Washington, D.C. X
Brookdale Hospital, NY * (IM, OBGYN, Peds, Psych, Surgery).
Peninsula General Hospital, NY X
Bridgeport Hospital, Bridgeport, CT * (IM, OBGYN).
Cape Cod Hospital, Hyannis, MA X
Jackson Park Hospital, Chicago, IL * (FM).
St. Anthony Medical Center, Chicago, IL X
St. Joseph Hospital, Elgin, IL * (FM, IM, OBGYN, Surgery).
St. Luke's Hospital, Kansas City, MO * (IM)
St. Mary's Hospital, St. Louis, MO * (IM)
Brentwood Behavioral Health, Shreveport, LA X
Leonard J. Chabert Hospital, LA X
Lafayette General Hospital, LA X
Ridgeview Institute, GA X
Cherry Hospital, Goldsboro, NC X
Columbus County Hospital, Whiteville, NC X
Winding Roads Health Consortium, WV X

Number of hospitals with at least 1 ACGME residency program: 8/21.
Number of hospitals without any greenbook rotations: 13/21.