Wyckoff Hospital, Brooklyn, NY

[Gigi25]

Originally Posted by TMI

hey.
i was at wyckoff doing peds and obgyn. i heard that IM at wyckoff totally sucks big time. i heard that you don't even write SOAP notes there. this is stuff that i heard from my friends from Ross while i was at wyckoff for 3 months. i haven't directly been involved in that department, but from what my friends told me, which is just heresay, i would definitely NOT do IM there if it was me.
hope that helped.
lutz

I have heard the same from people, but who knows .. how was OB??

[Scientific]

Originally Posted by Gigi25

I have heard the same from people, but who knows .. how was OB??

I heard the same about IM as well as most of the other cores......and most of the electives actually. I don't want to bash that hospital, but my brief experience at Wyckoff was not pleasant. There is a serious lack in teaching and an overabundance of scut work. There's also a even more serious lack in teaching of clinical procedures. Wyckoff takes a more "hands off" approach rather than allowing students to actively participate in even minor procedures...(on the rare occassion that you might get to see a procedure that is). If you want to go somewhere where you can pass your rotation with minimal effort and study independantly for Step 2/Shelfs, then Wyckoff is for you. If you want to LEARN while doing your rotation, and get some practice with your clinical skills I'd choose another hospital.

[Gigi25]

well, since I have absolutely no interest in OB GYN I should be OK LOL!!! I'll just take the time to study. I work well on my own and I'm sure I'll find something to do... Too bad about the teaching issue!!! Nothing I can do about the rotation now since it's starting in 5 weeks.. I guess I'll just make the best of it

[MedChe]

I just completed OBY/GYN at wyckoff. It is acgme accredited(just go to the site). Rotation was very good. THere basically are three residents..so you will have all the hands on experience you can ask for. I say its the best rotation wyckoff has to offer.

[Gigi25]

Originally Posted by MedChe

I just completed OBY/GYN at wyckoff. It is acgme accredited(just go to the site). Rotation was very good. THere basically are three residents..so you will have all the hands on experience you can ask for. I say its the best rotation wyckoff has to offer.

Sweet

I'm excited either way.

[rifster]

actually from what i hear...peds might be their best core rotation...i did IM, Surg and peds there with peds head and shoulders above the other 2..again i personally did not do OB, so for those who did OB and peds, they can say which one is better...
IM, when i did it, left alot to be desired but you do learn as you do anywhere if you put an interest in it...
Surgery, yes i learned in surgery too...again it's what you make of it, ya the teaching wasn't all that great but the main attending now who teaches students, he's a great teacher...and you can get ample hands-on experience if you show an interest...the call is a lot of scut work but most surgery places are...
i'll be there for FP in July...

[nycteena]

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Looking for DOG-LOVING student to sublet an apartment 4 subway stops (10 mins) away from Wyckoff hospital.

Low rent - but you pay utilities and you need to take care of a dog for the 3 months.

[wolfvgang22]

What is call at Wycoff for peds? So is the consensus here that Peds at Wycoff is good teaching and hands on?
I ask because a student I know rotated there and told me that you are not even allowed to carry a pen in your pocket because they don't want students writing in charts. Is that true?

[djinbh]

After having time to reflect on my experience at Wyckff surgery,and having completed other rotations in other hopitals, I can say that Wyckoff surgery rotation was a horrible experience. The lack of profesionalism starts at the top. The head of student education is rude and disrespectful to students. On the first day,during orientation, told the audience of proud and excited students recently off the island and completed step one, that if we didn't follow the rules perhaps we should go back to our island.That many of us were quit unethical, and he would not stand for that. The head of the program, the one that writes his name on your grades at the end, literally doesn't even look at students or even acknowledge a hello or good morning let alone teach us. I had asked the head of education early on what I could do get a letter of recommendation from him, thinking he might say write a paper, help him with a research progect. He said "drop dead". The administrator for surgery is a weak, gossipy man with no experience as an administrator, who enjoys hearing dirt about students from the chief student.The chief student is the horrible idea of having a fellow student become your superior. He will give you orders and be in part responsible for you grade. You may think that this would be ok, and in some instances it is. But more frequently the students are not trained as administrators and friendships, race ,personalities,and other factors come into play.People you thought were your friends change. The 24 to 30 hour long call is the Lord of the Flies experience you never wanted.
And all of this would be ok with me if I learned.
I really learned very little about surgery. We were so busy doing scut work that we had little time or energy to study. Night call was terrible. Running around getting data that the resident already had usually. No where to sleep but the chairs in the usually locked library.The residents frequently pimp you and will laugh at you as a group if you make a mistake. Surgery day was an effort in trying not to get yelled at by the nurses.
I had actually asked for Wyckoff surgery because it was in NY, and I hadn't read much about it on Vauemd. I understand that they've made changes recently, but with those same administrators present, I can't imagine things will change much.Good luck with your rotations.

[ducman]

This is exactly the type of vital feedback Saba administration needs to hear so that our future students do not have a similar experience.

Have you relayed this info to Sandy via the eval form or via direct communication so that they can research and document students' experiences during the time period this occurred?!?