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    shubham is offline Junior Member 511 points
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    Question Salary of MDs in Russia...??

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    hi friends.
    recently i have been reading on net that average salary of doctors in Russia is far below than low.!!!!
    when i asked my Russian friend on Facebook regarding the income of docs, he said that doctors in govt. sector earn really low. it's around 100 to 200 USD per month. he said that doctors take under-table-money to treat patients even though they are serving in govt. hospitals...!!! but that's understood and it's obvious that they'll surely do something for earning more. he said that due to this, many students from russia after their graduation move to western europe like germany, spain, france, austria, etc....

    but pvt. sect pay more to docs in Russia. i don't know what he meant by "more". but the salary is comparatively higher than govt. hospitals.

    anyone here living in russia??? please put more light on the subject... we all want to gain more knowledge about it...

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    I don't know how to answer your question but I know their salary is extremely low indeed.In all of the ex soviet countries doctors earn really low salaries.Most of them end up working privately,which works because the health care system in eastern Europe is not that good.In Poland,Czech Republic and Estonia things are getting better for them.I have no idea how much a doctor can make in a private practice.

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    thank you so much brusmani for your reply... i just wish things get better there...

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    I hope you can discern between the term 'salary' and 'income'. Although one's salary may be low, their income can be substantially higher, which is the case for doctors pretty much anywhere around the world. Yes, they may be salaried very low, but that is only from their immediate employer. In reality, they pick up money under the table from every treated patient, either due to their own charges or a patient's kind gesture. In any case, you can be assured they make a lot more than 200 USD per month.
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    ha ha ha ha...
    you are right molecule... they must be taking home more than 200 USD....

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    I'm not in Russia, but I'm in the former East Bloc, and the salaries for physicians here are terrible. My friend is a board-certified general surgeon and he makes between 500-600 leva ($300-400) per month... and Sofia is NOT a cheap city in which to live. He is also an ethical physician and does not accept bribes or additional payments from patients. Fortunately, his wife (also a physician) works for a pharmaceutical company and makes significantly more money, so they are not scraping to make ends meet. However, it is horrible that he works so hard and receives such terrible pay.

    Because he is a surgeon, he does not have the opportunity to open a private practice, which physicians in many other "mobile" specialties are able to do. Ob-Gyn docs here do fine, because they work their public hospital jobs in the morning and then have a private practice in the afternoon, where they can charge better fees. Other specialties with private practice options are also able to do all right. But surgeons, anesthesiologists, and other specialists are in a bad spot, because they can't afford to open a private facility for their work. They either make next to nothing, resort to the unethical behaviors noted by Molecule_of_Life, or (quite literally) drive taxis and stuff on the weekends. Et cetera.
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    Guys, Russian medicine is in a poor condition now. All the pride is lost since 90ths, average salary outside big cities like Moscow and St Petersbourg is roughly around 200$ for day duties + you might try to collect the same 200$ for several night shifts if you have at least 10 every month. If you are really lucky, you can also have a couple of hours of out-patient appointments in the evening to come to 500$. Overall, you can imagine that you should forget about yourself and your life. :-) In St. Petersbourg not much difference, maybe a little bit higher. In Moscow it's around 1000-1200$ if you do the same amount and work for a large hospital center. Note, this is all about government medicine.
    In pvt practie, in Moscow you can do twice as much. Everything outside it is less.

    Situation around GPs is a bit different. There were some wage rises in a couple of past years. So, 500$ for the day job only at out-patient department + some errands around the neighborhood + tremendous amounts of crappy paper work, and mental degradation. The conclusion is obvious.

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    I doubt they are paid too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by von Block View Post
    Note, this is all about government medicine.
    In pvt practie, in Moscow you can do twice as much. Everything outside it is less.

    Situation around GPs is a bit different. There were some wage rises in a couple of past years. So, 500$ for the day job only at out-patient department + some errands around the neighborhood + tremendous amounts of crappy paper work, and mental degradation. The conclusion is obvious.
    von Block, it seems as if you have first hand knowledge of the situation there in Russia and it scares me a bit that the U.S. is moving toward a government-based health care system. Do you think the low salaries, paperwork and mental degradation comes with the territory or can it be avoided as we venture into those government waters?

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    There are government-based health care systems in France, Switzerland, and Holland (etc.), and they are some of the finest in the world... nothing at all like Russia and the East Bloc. Russia has a litany of other issues that contribute to their health care situation.

    The question is, will the US look at what works (Holland, Switzerland) and try to emulate it... or what doesn't work quite as well (UK, Canada) and what doesn't work (Russia, East Bloc) and get all wigged out over it?

    Quote Originally Posted by hopefuldoc74 View Post
    von Block, it seems as if you have first hand knowledge of the situation there in Russia and it scares me a bit that the U.S. is moving toward a government-based health care system. Do you think the low salaries, paperwork and mental degradation comes with the territory or can it be avoided as we venture into those government waters?
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