Hello:

A new Russian Medical School Program rated in top 20 by WHO is now available for Western students. Their website is:

www.studymedrussia.com

Regards,
B

Rated by whom?

Also, the website says: "Your M.D. degree from the PAVLOV State Medical University WILL ALLOW YOU TO WORK ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD."

Anywhere, but California...

Interestingly enough, the agent is located in California:

"Contact one of our Marketing Representatives for tuition costs and other information: russianmedschool@ziplip.com, 1215 Ivy St., Chico, CA 95928 Tel. 1-530-893-0635, Fax 1-415-242-6125"

Perhaps, someone should pass this on to the California Med Board. I'm almost certain that they would love to write them a letter.

at this point i do agree with miklos.....agents are never reliable...n the info they give are generally self-motivated ........i would like to add with this that the main problem international students face in russia is the problem with the agents...they give you false promises ,show you lucrative offers("recognised" by USA n UK) n the stuff...n thats the main reason ,i think, why foreign students in russia complain about the russian medical schools - n russian medical schools cant escape their responsiblity in this field.
But apart from this the foreign agents fail to bring forward the good points that these schools share:
1 i have seen many Adds about medical schools from around the world but in none of those adds i found any thing like "here u get indepth medical knowledge" all i want to pin point is that in todays world no one go fr knowledge all go for money, glamour , ranks .......but forget the main thing .........in medical money can be fetched trough knowledge n only knowledge ....n there is no way to escape...........in russian medical schools we get indepth knowledge of the subjects we are tought ...n in that case i must make a comment that in this particular field Russia is the leader...n even better than US ....i came to realise this by a number of circumstances let me illustrate the most recent one
yesterday i had my Microbiology test on antibiotics ......fr the same reason i looked through a number of US medical school websites...n collected lecture materials n online textbooks from a number of them ....but surprisingly i found that none of them explained the concept properly nor did they try for the same ....they just dumped their info with research topics(the text was ment for "undergraduate medical students" n not for researchers as mentioned there).....something like teaching someone to run who dosent know how to walk....n my assumption came true when i chatted with a few of the US med students in the internet .......there i found students who knew about the recent discovery of muscle protein relaxin but dosent know the normal physiology of musclar proteins auxin n myosin..........the worst student in my group in st petersburg know the same ....................

2 about rank i must say that i have too seen such adds in internet n newspapers .......but i dont believe on them ...just because of the fact that none these rankings take into consideration the following facts"seriously" ....interaction between student n the teacher ./.......quality of student input vs quality of student output ... ......Quality of teaching etc .....the parameter under which todays ratings are based are "placements", "annual budget" "USMLE" "research budget"
....everything except knowlodge ...n if medical knowledge is taken into consideration russia will surely rank among the top.....in our classes we have a student teacher ratio 6 :1 n all of our teachers give personal attention to each of us .............n takes care that we have the basic concept clear........

one more thing i ll like to add , n i think u must agree with me in this regard that there are certain things in this world which cant be ranked n which have to b realised ....knowledge is one of them .......how can u rank knowledge ...its not US economy Vs Russian economy ....tell me please who is rank one and who is second
watson n crick or alexander fleming
do keep in touch.....

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3rd Year MD Student (Gen Medicine)
6 Year English Medium Programme
St Petersburg, Russia

what r u talkign about?
do u know WHO WON the cold war?
and for waht reason...because the US DOES have brains. y the hell do u think all these ppl r trying so hard 2 make it and get the usmle. no one give a ________ about the russian mle. u better check urself.

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Jatts do it

what r u talkign about?
do u know WHO WON the cold war?
and for waht reason...because the US DOES have brains

ya it do have brains...brain to hire brains from other countries


"y the hell do u think all these ppl r trying so hard 2 make it and get the usmle. "- money makes it all .....no one goes to the US for social service
.....truth is hard to digest isnt it?

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3rd Year MD Student (Gen Medicine)
6 Year English Medium Programme
St Petersburg, Russia

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I actually asked about russian medical schools in a different thread; oops.

I only know a handful of russians/foreigners attending medical school in Russia. Their experiences are purely foreign in comparison to US medical schools, which is why I am asking all of you for your opinions on the pros and cons. All of the MDs in my family have graduated from US medical schools and would like me to stay here, which I'm not sure is necessary but nonetheless interesting to hear from them.

From what little I have heard so far, the education may be far more detailed but the facilities are worse, er, possibly quite different. I didn't get a very detailed explanation of what "quite different" in contrast to "worse" was, so if anyone has any ideas, I would be very interested in hearing them.
Thank you!

-Bee

here is the reply to ur post in this theread n the other thread(russian women)

"Post subject: Russian Medical Schools in Comparison Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:13 am

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Or rather "Spaciba Balshoi!" means "thank you very much!"

What do people think of medical school in Russia? I was originally thinking about attending medical school in either Russian (Moscow or St.Pete's) or England at first, where I'm from the US. It was not that US med schools weren't my thing; at the time, I wanted to move back to my roots, which are russian and Ukranian, so an international medical school was of interest to me. How does it compare?



First of all u need to tell me what is your PRIMARY aim?
1 to get established in the US as a doctor passing the USMLE?
or 2 to get established as a doc in Russia


if u want to get established in US ....then US med schools ll b the first choice as all can understand and then the Carribian.....just due to the fact they prepare u specifically fr the USMLE......if u can afford those two then comes the question of Russsia ...Russian Med schools ll give u medical knowledge but wont prepare u fr the USMLE ...u ll have to do all these just by urself with the help of KAPLAN n others

if u want to get established as doc in Russia think 100 times...just due to the fact a russian doc earns merely 300$ a month...n russian soceity dosent give much respect to doctors as u get it in US...but yes u ll get respect of being a human being from the general people here n not just from the human rights group(as u get in the US) ...but ya if u love medical science (n not cash)n want to devote urself in the field no probs with russia

now about the pros n cons

CONS
1 Corruption: it all depends upon u...if u want u can stay away from it no one ll indulge u .....u if u wanna take aadvantage of it ....Russia is the best place u can get a ready access to them....however if u go to the good medical schools like moscow medical academy or People's friendship univ ....ur education ll b free from corruption(sorry cant tell much about this)

2 personal inniciative: again all depends upon u...u ll have to show ur interest on anatomy n dissection ...then ur professor ll take interest upon u...n give u a free corpse for diossection...n if u dont u ll just endup in doing the routine dissection that is there in ur syllabus...

3 facilities: this ll bother u only if u are in a moderate medical school....but if u are in the best medical schools these things wont bother u ...atleast at the level of undergraduate med education....basic facilities are all aavailable here....only diffrence i think the instruments wont have the glamour of pentium 4....they ll b confined to Athlon (though of same operating speed)

4 racist attacks...they claim russia for russians...but since u are a russian by origin ...u neednot think about that

5 language: if u enroll to an english medium programme ...the quality of english of few professors wont b up the mark .....but i think u know proper russian atleast for conversation so this problem is also not fr u

6 attendance: here u ll have to keep `100$ attendance....i repeat 100%......even if u had health probs u ll have to pay extra money n then do extra classes for the classes u have missed

pros
1 good facilities at very resonable fee (4500$ per year)
2 teacher:student ratio 1: 7 or 1 : 5 so u get personal attention of the teacher ....n if u show ur interest the teacher ll do all he/she can to help u...n they wont charge u anythig fr that

3 exams: here u can give ur exams when ever u feel u r prepared fr it ...of u are not fully prepared on the schduled date no probs ....consult ur peofessor......come again on a later date and clear ur exams.....or if u are not satisfied with grade : good(4) come again give the exam again prove ursef n get grade "excellent"(5)............. no extracharges fr all these

4 better understanding of the subjects: its totally my personal opinin :in russian medicine they lay much emphasis on the CONCEPT ...while in US they lay much emphasis on facts n statics ....

5 in depth study: they start from the epithelial tissue but dont seem to end even at DNA finger printing

my advice:
the best school for u ..looking at ur situation ll b Moscow medical academy (http://www.mma.ru/index.php/english ) ....study in english medium there n u can always solve ur personal doubts(if any) by intracting personally in russian with the professor

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6 Year English Medium Programme
St Petersburg, Russia