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http://www.internetmedicalschool.homestead.com

http://www.chiropractormds.homestead.com/index.html

yikes....how did PETA get ahold of this information though, disgruntled students?

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It would appear that,eh? PETA never misses an opportunity for a negative article on research or training involving animals. They are after the Westminister Dog Show people also this week.

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Still skeptical after all these years.
This is it. There are no hidden meanings.WYSIWYG

http://www.internetmedicalschool.homestead.com

http://www.chiropractormds.homestead.com/index.html

Definitely sounds like disgruntled student(s). I don't think they realized that many schools in the U.S. and other places also perform terminal surgeries and practice procedures on animals in ways which have been determined to be humane by IACUC.

PETA can be quite enraging at times.

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hopefully they dont start throwing red paint at the students as they walk to class

This is a payback or a retake from a student. Maybe my neighbor's dog was the exposed animal. LOL. I hate that dog so bad!

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Hi everyone,

I know this may be an unpopular opinion here -- but, I don't understand why people on this forum are saying just because other vet schools perform invasive / terminal surgeries on animals for vet training, this makes it ok for Ross to do so. This is akin to saying well Johnny down the street killed my dog, so it must be okay for me to kill my neighbor's dog. This is nonsense. There is NO NEED to harm animals for vet training -- British vet schools do not conduct terminal surgeries or invasive procedures that are detrimental to the animals. St. Kitts (where Ross is based) used to be a British colony, so one would think they would follow the Brit vet school tradition, but I guess they are intent on killing animals for no reason. C'mon y'all...veterinarian are supposed to be helping animals, not needlessly killing them. There ARE better ways to learn.

well that's not really the debate here...i don't know a lot about vet schools and their standards but if Ross is following the same standards that US schools are and if they are allowed to perform these surgeries by these regulations, then there is no argument. whether it is ethical or not is a completely different story but if Ross is not doing anything illegal, i don't think there is much PETA can do about it.

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Ross is based in St. Kitts, which is it's own independent nation. Under their cruetly statutes, they are not allowed to inflict "unnecessary suffering" to animals. So, the point is, if Brit vet schools can train their vet students w/o harming animals, then Ross' practice of harming animals constitutes "unnecessary suffering," and this is against St. Kitts law. So, yes, PETA can do something about this case at Ross and I hope they succeed. Hopefully, Ross can be a model for other vet schools in the US to emulate, once they get their act together.

I understand your opinion and despite my previous brief comment I don't believe our views are all that far apart.

I must admit I don't know exactly what occurs specifically at Ross but I assume that it isn't different from an average american-based veterinary education. My question to you is, how do st. kitts and yourself define "unnecessary suffering?" It could be argued that slaughtering of animals for food is unnecessary, if this argument is taken to an extreme and many people believe this to be true. I am not one of these people, but I can appreciate this point-of-view also.

Maybe the PETA actions will be impactful, maybe they won't, but I have frequent objections to the ways in which PETA acts upon many issues, but not all. PETA often uses charged, unscientific terms to describe events which are often scientific in nature and persuade non-science oriented people to have opinions which I don't think are based entirely on fact.

For example: The words "forcing", "maim", "kill", and "painful procedures" are distracting and emotional words which are not descriptive for the actualities. PETA's main mode of action is to appeal to the emotions of the audience which is not always based on reason.

All this being said: Are computer-based models better for learning? I don't think so, but I am also biased and value the experiences I have had to make potential future procedures have a better outcome and likelihood of success. Are the British better students for having education based more on these principles? I don't think so, but certainly they're no worse.

I would absolutely support a persons decision to not partake in such an activity if s/he were opposed. Was this denied in this case?

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