Thread: Important Concern about Ross Clinical Affiliations..

I have talked to a few people doing clinicals now and I have been told that not all clinical affiliations that Ross has and obviously you get sent to
are teaching hospitals. By the same token, I know for a fact that your core rotations have to be completed in a teaching hospital associated with a U.S. medical school to be valid for many state licensing boards. How does this affect future graduates from here like myself and others when time comes for licensing?

CAN ANYONE WHO IS MORE KNOWLEDGABLE ABOUT THIS SUBJECT EXPAND ON MY COMMENTS AND CONCERNS?

I appreciate the time and effort people take to respond.

Thanks you guys

Not even a single student or Ross grad. can't comment on this issue.!!!

Can't comment on Ross itself as it has changed much in the past few years... and I didn't go to Ross.

So, just general comments on clinical rotations:

Yes, your rotations MUST be done in hospitals that have ACGME-approved. "parent residency" programs in the specialty of your rotation, NOT JUST A "TEACHING HOSPITAL." Meaning, a hospital may be called a "teaching hospital" because it has an internal medicine residency program. But this does NOT mean that you can do any rotation you want in that hospital. If a hospital only has medicine residency program, you can only do medicine (and medical subspecialties) rotations there -- anythign else would not count.

A real life example: My hospital (a full-fledge "teaching hospital") only has residency programs in IM, FP, and Surgery. So, foreign students can only do rotations in these specialties. We CANNOT in good conscience offer rotations in Pediatrics, OB/GYN because we have no residency programs in Peds and OB/GYN.

So, no matter where you go for rotations, don't just assume that a "teaching hospital" will enable you to do any rotations you want. Look into exactly what residency programs the hospital actually operates, and only do rotations in those specialty areas.

Oh, and this applies to every single rotation, not just "core" rotations in your 3rd year. It applies to electives in your 4th year as well. And yes, doing rotations any other way will complicate your licensing, and cause major problems (such as not-licensible, ever, in many states.)

P

Vitalsigns, I was waiting for more knowledgeable students to comment before deciding whether I should add my two cents or not. However, since this forum is fairly new, most of the current Ross students who follow the forum are in the basic science portion of their education. We don't know all about the rotations as we aren't at that stage yet. BUT, since you seem so anxious about this issue, here is what I know.

MOST (if not all) of the clinical rotations that you will be assigned to are associated with ACGME residency programs. The only reason I say most is not to minimize the comments of some on this forum. The RUSM clinical students I have spoken with have told me that all of the rotations are at ACGME programs, but again I haven't done the research.

SOME states require that your core rotations be completed ONLY at hospitals with associated ACGME residency programs. However, all of them don't. It is your responsibility to make sure you deny any rotations that won't work for your future -- the University can't necessarily track where every student wants to practice. For example, if you plan to practice in a State that allows only some of your clinical rotations to be performed in that State, you need to know that ahead of time. If your rotations all need to be approved, then you had better make sure you let the clinical office know that.

However, let me add this: Some of the other schools send you to England and Ireland for core clinical rotatations. I'm fairly sure that none of those hospitals are approved by the ACGME, and those students still can get residencies in most states. So it just takes some research and attention on your part.

Best of luck!

MitchDC

Originally Posted by Vitalsigns

I have talked to a few people doing clinicals now and I have been told that not all clinical affiliations that Ross has and obviously you get sent to
are teaching hospitals. By the same token, I know for a fact that your core rotations have to be completed in a teaching hospital associated with a U.S. medical school to be valid for many state licensing boards. How does this affect future graduates from here like myself and others when time comes for licensing?

CAN ANYONE WHO IS MORE KNOWLEDGABLE ABOUT THIS SUBJECT EXPAND ON MY COMMENTS AND CONCERNS?

I appreciate the time and effort people take to respond.

Thanks you guys

Rotations in England and Irland are OK as long as they are done in places with "ACGME-equivalent" post graduate training programs accredited by the British system.

P

Mitch..,Picard...

I appreciate your time to respond.But Mitch that's exactly my concern, the problem is not being able to get a residency , it's being able to get licensed.

Does any of you or anybody else for that matter know a link to get that sort of information regarding the general requierments for each individual state..(if not all)


Thank you

Vital

Unfortunately there is no single place to get the info an licensing criteria for all states, you have to look at each states rules individually. The link to the Federation of State Medical Boards members page is: http://www.fsmb.org/members.htm. From there you can get links to the state board for all 50 states and read up on each state in which you are interested.

It is true that Ross University is like two schools, when we look at the basic sciences portion and the clinical sciences portion, we can easily realize that those are two different entities in two different countries, so don't consider Ross University based only on the basic sciences portion. Consider more the clinical portion, because that is what is going to ruin your future as an MD. It seems that Ross University is still continuing to miselead students(DR. Perri still there) about the availability of clinical training sites equivalent to US medical schools. The fact of the matter Ross University still having the same problems as before, because now Ross Univ accept more students. The school is able to provide some of the students with good rotations(be carefull,check what good rotation means in Picard'spost), but a high numbers of students end up with gaps or not good rotations in their transcript. Some Ross's graduates don't even realize it yet, but with time all the issues like, where you did your rotations and so on will emerge, and effect your life in a way you won't even be able to imagine. So, please let us work together to force those who want to use the field of medicine and corrupt it with their greed. Let us tell them that we want medical educations as you claimed to the Dept. of Education, not only in the basics sciences, but at all levels, and let us tell them we will be watching you. Right, azkeptic, Picard and all the good ones out there. Please, let us do something about this mess. It is becoming the phenomena of the off shore schools and every one with a couple millions wants to open a medical school. Globalization and monopoly, and now off shore schools market!!!

Hey Nasir, welcome back to the forum.

Vitalsigns, you need to read each state's bylaws. Every single state is different. For example, in California, an ACGME rotation is one done in a hospital with a family practice residency. However, in Ohio, an ACGME rotation is one done in a hospital with a residency in the area of the rotation. Quite a difference. I think its a good idea to do all ACGME rotations just to have your bases covered in the future. The clinical staff at Ross told me that getting all ACGME rotations isn't a problem if you need them.