I'm sorta confused here....

Does this mean that you can do the clinical rotations in Texas also? Or is this just for residency?

The clinicals have to be whatever Ross is "affiliated" with, right?

good point daniel. SGU has always had licensure and it should be shown. The "newness" of ross' status is what requires and offical announment but the info should be up re: sgu. The school (who ive called) needs to deal with that. As for how sgu "swung it;" a loto f politics and also, you have to realize the reason ross had troubles is an applicant innocently mentioned that ross did no research and that threw the kibash on ross eligability. Is he to blame? no. It was innocent, he reasonably didnt know ross (apparently) does research and to be honest, Texas was gunning to find a "deficiency". some real jerks blamed this person who suffered for this innocent error far mroe than they (ie no licensure). but he was a patsy for a texas hardline. Never forget that. Lesson is what what you say. the world is political.

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If you get a warning, put on yer manpants and stop whining about it.

as promised, Denise replied to me thus:

SGU grads are eligible if they meet all requirements -the difference now is that with the board having conducted a verification visit to Ross, Ross grads will no longer have to have the school submit additional information outside the usual application packet

the board is developing a process to evaluate medical schools that have geographically separated educational programs (basic science in one place and clinicals elsewhere) - so in 2005 we hope to have a tool to evaluate SGU and then perhaps the school will no longer have to submit so much documentation for each graduate that applies to Texas

Ive sent some followup questions for her and will post if she replies.
Thanks.

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If you get a warning, put on yer manpants and stop whining about it.

here's the followup; this should answer Daniel's astute questions.

here's the most recent exchange:
Subject: RE: Texas licensure

from me:

Denise, if you dont mind a follow up;

Since Ross has a geographically separated program like sgu, could sgu get the
same sort of review prior to the implimentation of the new evaluation tool?

Also, at http://www.tsbme.state.tx.us/profess...o/STDNHPSE.rtf sgu
isnt included as a school that doenst have to proove equivilency. Since sgu
grads may practice if individuals meet all requirements, does that not defacto
prove equivilency? Could you clarify that?

FInally do Ross grads and SGU grads have to meet different requirements with
Ross' new status (aside from additional paperwork for sgu grads?

I appreciate your time on this. It helps the students a lot to understand these
issues.
All the best,
Stephanie.

Reply.

They could get the verification visit if the board were willing to go before the eval tool was ready, but since SGU grads on an individual basis can be reviewed, as opposed to what happened to Ross which was a complete shutdown of applicants being considered, I don't think the board will approve a visit before the tool is ready.

To find that there is blanket substantial equivalency is not going to be found by the approval of a few applicants that have been looked at on an individual basis - but an overall review of the school and its programs.

the only different requirement between the two schools is the additional packet of information that the SGU grads will have to do

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If you get a warning, put on yer manpants and stop whining about it.

steph,

thank you so much for clearing that up. everything totally makes sense as to why ross was essentially forced into undergoing a site visit. while sgu enjoyed the ability to apply and ultimately get approval for licensure, ross wasnt even allowed to apply! sgu had to jump through hoops for licensure while ross was indeed, for all intents and purposes, banned.

there is so much politicking involved and its always hard to trust the ross administration. i knew something was fishy when dean perri on this thread threw in the phrase, "The State of Texas is now accepting RUSM graduate applications, something they have NOT been doing from any of the medical schools in the Caribbean." clearly, she was wrong and it sounds more like an underhanded ploy to differentiate ross from other great schools like sgu and auc.

her statement would have been more correct if she stated more along the lines of: RUSM graduates are no longer banned in Texas and can now apply for licensure, something that some other medical schools in the Caribbean have already been able to do.

with the recent development that ROSS grads can now apply to texas for liscensure, many rumors have been flying started by ross personel or students. i dont know if they are intentionally trying to boost their schools reputation by slandering other schools qualifications or if is non intentional.

many have been saying that ROSS is now the only school that can have students get liscensure in texas. the fact of the matter is that ross was temporarily banned from getting new liscenses in texas until further notice. they now are back being able to get liscensed with less hassle because they were required to have a site visit for this approval.

currently, AUC students CAN get liscensed in texas as long as they jump through all the required hoops.

i emailed denise meyer over at texas for an explanation for AUC. the following is my conversation:

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-----Original Message-----
From: **** ************
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 1:43 PM
To: Denise Meyer
Subject: question about AUC


I'm currently an AUC student. What is the status of applying for licensure in Texas? I plan to do all my clinicals in a green book hospitals.

Is AUC currently not approved in Texas or is it just complicated by having to prove equivalency individually? If I choose this route, will I get licensed if I jump through all the extra hoops?

Do you know if AUC is currently trying to get on the approved list? Do you think they eventually will?

I am also curious as to why medical schools in Afghanistan and many other 3rd world countries that are in shambles are on the list? Surely a site visit was not done to all of them. Many of them don't even have a tenth of the facilities that AUC has. Why is it that grads from these "schools" have an easier time getting licensed in Texas?

Thanks for your time
Scott

her response:

AUC grads may apply - they are considered on an individual basis. There is no way for me to know if you will be legibile for a license until you apply.

To my knowledge AUC has not requested a verification visit.

Your school is on the list because it has geographically separated programs.

Denise L. Meyer
Team Leader, Physician Licensure
P.O. Box 2029
Austin, TX 78768-2029
(512) 305-7130
Fax # 512-305-7009
My office hours are Mon-Fri, 8:00-5:00

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so contrary to the rumors that are being spread like rabies.............. AUC STILL IS APPROVED IN ALL 50 STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Internal Medicine
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This is very interesting. Why was Ross singled out? So in essence Texas just had a problem with Ross?

Juni

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Ross was not singled out. all non-US schools where. Ross was just the first to raise a stink about it. Ross actually supposedly teamed up with SGU for this fight. i am sure with a little time, most carib schools will be as ross is now, without problems. makes sense too, as there is a shortage of docs in texas(as well as other parts of the US) which is only expected to worsen.

i think Ross actually was singled out. from the messages relayed by steph from the texas medical board rep (mrs meyer), its clear that sgu and auc were able to get licensure but ross grads were banned until this past week.

this is why ross raised a stink about it. i dont think ross was trying to make a valiant effort to champion the causes of Caribbean medical schools, rather, it was just trying to catch up with the Jones's so that their grads can get texas licensure.

the policy was a new one. Ross was not really singled out, as Ross has a ton of grads working there. it seemed they just tightened up their regs all of a sudden, and then all this had to happen to change it back. But I know 3 grads who went to texas after residency to work, and had no troubles getting licenses a couple years ago.