Thread: Why Do So Many People at Ross Fail/Repeat???

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usually they had personal problems or don't have efficient enough study habits (not saying the don't spend enough time but the time spent isn't efficient for the requirements of medical school). Lastly because they don't try hard enough.

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Reasons in no particular order

1. They got accepted with low scores just to get tuition money and then kick them after they fail, 2. They couldn't handle the pace, 3. They didn't study and spent all their time at the beach or island hopping, 4. Unforeseen events- Dengue, family crisis, other illnesses, 5. Depression, 6. They missed too many mandatory events, 7. They studied but still managed to not pass

Understand that Ross and other off-shore schools are almost the opposite of US schools when choosing their student body.

US schools have stringent screening of applications to arrive at a class whom they say: "You've proven yourself as an extremely capable candidate to become a physician. WELCOME!"

The non-US model (like Ross) sez: "WELCOME! Now prove yourself" Then there are numerous hurdles to jump along the way. The accelerated pace. The isolation in the Caribbean. Difficult Minis and Finals. If you make it off the Rock then there's...The Comp. Pass the Comp, and Ross wil let you take the Step. Pass the Step, and they will let you complete your clinical training. Fail either of those, and it's game over!

To contrast that w/ the US system, once you're in, it's only YOUR choice to not stay there. They will offer you tutors and remediate classes for you in the summer if you do poorly in a course. You will be put into clinical rotations before your results of the Step arrive. And they won't necessarily remove you from the rotation if you don't pass your 1st try.

The biggest "gyp" which is slowly changing is the fact that a lot of medical professionals see us as "lesser" students. And we are growing more and more competent and as capable than our US counterparts...because we go thru SO MUCH to get to residency! We've overcome so many obstacles, face it, we ARE better than US students when it comes to work-ethic and personal resolve. Because w/o either of those, I/we would have failed out somewhere in the process.

In the US, the only obstacle is YOU. The Ross model, they establish obstacles for you NOT to mention YOU can be your own obstacle, just like a US med school! The US schools set you up to succeed. Off-shore, you are pushed to do your utmost best or fail.

To summarize, you want to pass and succeed at Ross??? you need to dig deep down into your soul and develop a monstrous work-ethic and personal resolve. It's NOT easy, and not set up to be easy. But you do grow into a good competent physician in the end.

Originally Posted by gfliptastic

Understand that Ross and other off-shore schools are almost the opposite of US schools when choosing their student body.

US schools have stringent screening of applications to arrive at a class whom they say: "You've proven yourself as an extremely capable candidate to become a physician. WELCOME!"

The non-US model (like Ross) sez: "WELCOME! Now prove yourself" Then there are numerous hurdles to jump along the way. The accelerated pace. The isolation in the Caribbean. Difficult Minis and Finals. If you make it off the Rock then there's...The Comp. Pass the Comp, and Ross wil let you take the Step. Pass the Step, and they will let you complete your clinical training. Fail either of those, and it's game over!

To contrast that w/ the US system, once you're in, it's only YOUR choice to not stay there. They will offer you tutors and remediate classes for you in the summer if you do poorly in a course. You will be put into clinical rotations before your results of the Step arrive. And they won't necessarily remove you from the rotation if you don't pass your 1st try.

The biggest "gyp" which is slowly changing is the fact that a lot of medical professionals see us as "lesser" students. And we are growing more and more competent and as capable than our US counterparts...because we go thru SO MUCH to get to residency! We've overcome so many obstacles, face it, we ARE better than US students when it comes to work-ethic and personal resolve. Because w/o either of those, I/we would have failed out somewhere in the process.

In the US, the only obstacle is YOU. The Ross model, they establish obstacles for you NOT to mention YOU can be your own obstacle, just like a US med school! The US schools set you up to succeed. Off-shore, you are pushed to do your utmost best or fail.

To summarize, you want to pass and succeed at Ross??? you need to dig deep down into your soul and develop a monstrous work-ethic and personal resolve. It's NOT easy, and not set up to be easy. But you do grow into a good competent physician in the end.

gfliptastic, this is by far the most awesome post on this site. Well written! I couldn't agree more with this. Someone sticky this thing lol.

gfliptastic's post pretty much sums it all up. Well written!

Then again, they got into US med school with hard work and good scores. Their hurdle was to learn how to study properly in college as opposed to med school like myself. Can't say that we are better, but we definitely must have a great drive to go thru all this.

actually gotta argue with you on one point. If you went to Ross, St georges, auc, or saba, you get treated no different then if you went to a US school. I know that as a fact, as I have been out for years, and never had anybody give me crap, never had trouble getting a job, or advancing. I now teach at a DO school, and my rotation is one of the most sought after among the students. when they find out I went to Ross, i frequently hear they considered it before deciding on the DO route, but nobody seems to want to change rotations on me.

as for the consipracy theory? LOL some things have never changed. remember one thing, the school loses money when it fails people. when i was there, only half the people who failed stayed. so if ten fail, they get an extra semster out of 5 people and lose 7, 8 or 9 semsters from 5 other people. Not a way to make money.

US schools reject the ones who wont make it before they start, carib schools reject them after. you just have to work hard and prove the US schools screwed up by not taking you. one of the best experiences of my career was having a guy work under me who years before was on an admissions committee and singled me out for rejection. he admits he screwed up!

Originally Posted by jim

actually gotta argue with you on one point. If you went to Ross, St georges, auc, or saba, you get treated no different then if you went to a US school. I know that as a fact, as I have been out for years, and never had anybody give me crap, never had trouble getting a job, or advancing. I now teach at a DO school, and my rotation is one of the most sought after among the students. when they find out I went to Ross, i frequently hear they considered it before deciding on the DO route, but nobody seems to want to change rotations on me.

as for the consipracy theory? LOL some things have never changed. remember one thing, the school loses money when it fails people. when i was there, only half the people who failed stayed. so if ten fail, they get an extra semster out of 5 people and lose 7, 8 or 9 semsters from 5 other people. Not a way to make money.

US schools reject the ones who wont make it before they start, carib schools reject them after. you just have to work hard and prove the US schools screwed up by not taking you. one of the best experiences of my career was having a guy work under me who years before was on an admissions committee and singled me out for rejection. he admits he screwed up!

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