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Old 09-09-2004, 09:23 AM
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Larkin Hospital is affiliated with the University of Miami School of Medicine, Department of Family Practice

There has been some recent confusion regarding this issue.
Larkin is affiliated with the Department of Family practice of the University of Miami School of medicine, and has been for several years.
Anyone seeking copies of the agreement can obtain it from Ross University.
Question: Any feedback on the 3rd year Family Practice Clerkship at Larkin? we are interested in obtaining some input in the hopes of improving the experience.
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Old 09-10-2004, 01:24 AM
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Don't be so sure, pal

As some of you know, I find very questionable some of the practices of this forum (as further evidenced by this latest post) and, particularly, its moderators, and have decided that this is no longer the place I choose to participate. However, someone tipped me that this message was posted here, so I have decided to return briefly only to respond to this latest message by “jmichel”…

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Originally Posted by jmichel
Your conclusions about what the DOJ does or doesn't do are erroneous. Perhaps you should educate yourself on the matter prior to expressing your biased conclusions. You are studying to be a Doctor, not to be an ignorant columnist. The next time you express an opinion about something, be sure to check your facts.
The facts as you see them are hard to find, jmichel, and are not born out by anything on the Internet, the DOJ website, any of the news outlets in Miami (or elsewhere), or even Larkin's website - be they a mock "pseudo-press release" or anything else that the people named in this lawsuit have otherwise alledged, true or untrue.

Furthermore, based on the transcript you've presented here, I want to know just what the heck you are talking about anyway? Did you not think that at least one of us was going to read the whole thing through or did you figure that, since we're just a bunch of stupid Ross students, no one was going to comprehend it if we did?

This transcript you posted here only concerns your filing of an emergency injunction, and has the earmarks of a defendant who is not fully prepared to argue against it due to the hasty nature of your legal team throwing it together (big deal!). More importantly, it has absolutely nothing to do with dismissing the allegations or dropping the civil fraud lawsuit against you laid out in the the previous link! The DOJ, if the charges were dropped and your injunction successful (not that we can tell from the truncated version you provide here), would report such on their website and most likely amend the link that continues to report the civil suit against you.

No. What we actually have here is only your lawyer arguing that you were not given due process before they suspended payments. Sure, there is a bit of confusion and miscommunication about who filed what when and why and what triggered the investigation in the first place and which dates were involved, but big deal. But, don't you worry. That stuff will get sorted out later when they take you to court, for certain. This is, by no means, a victory for you.

Furthermore, in what you've provided here on page 25, line 25, and page 26, lines 1-8, after your lawyer rambles on begging for this injunction (calling the way they filed the lawsuit against you “malicious” and a “draconian sanction”) so you don't go immediately bankrupt while the larger matter is investigated and ultimately adjudicated, the judge flatly asks the representative for AHCA about the agency’s actions in bringing civil fraud charges against you. Their representative says the following:

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MR. NAM: Your Honor, the department takes the position that the named physicians and entities have been investigated by the department and that those investigations have culminated in the prior actions [i.e. the civil fraud charges filed against the Michel brothers].

THE JUDGE: Investigated by AHCA?

MR. NAM: That's correct. And I have documentation that supports those contentions, I'm not just making those [up].
That’s all that matters. This is their case. And, you have not yet had your real day in court where you’re going to have to answer to these fraud allegations.

In other words...

THIS POST ANSWERS NOTHING TO THE DISPOSITION OF THE CIVIL FRAUD CHARGES AGAINST YOU AND YOUR BROTHER!

Again, to quote from the DOJ website: http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/fls/Larkin.html

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Based on the allegations of the Complaint, in 1997, when Larkin was owned by Dr. Desnick, Larkin paid Jack Michel and Oracle approximately $70,000 per month in kickbacks, which were disguised as payments for operating the Larkin Emergency Room, Radiology Department, and House Call Program. In return for these payments, Jack and George Michel admitted approximately 50% of the patients to Larkin in 1997, and many of these admissions were medically unnecessary. Additionally, Larkin paid kickbacks to other doctors for their admissions to Larkin that were disguised as Medical Directorship salaries. These doctors admitted approximately 25% of the patients to Larkin in 1997, and many of these admissions were medically unnecessary. Many of these patients were residents of ALFs with whom Jack Michel had long-term relationships, including Oceanside Extended Care, owned by the Esformes.
By the way, don’t you have better things to do right now than post some irrelevant document, which ultimately proves nothing, on some Internet forum?

And, yes, I will be a doctor very soon. An honest, hardworking one who doesn’t engage in questionable billing practices, to be sure. So, why don’t I worry about me, and you worry about you, okay?

Finally...

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Originally Posted by jmichel
Larkin is affiliated with the Department of Family practice of the University of Miami School of medicine, and has been for several years.
Anyone seeking copies of the agreement can obtain it from Ross University.
Since Larkin is “affiliated”, why don’t you provide us with a contact name in the Family Practice office at University of Miami who'll be able to provide us a copy of this agreement instead? I, for one, would be very interested to see it. Or, since you seem willing to post things on this forum, why not scan it in and post it here yourself? Funny, though, that Larkin is still nowhere to be found mentioned here:

http://familymedicine.med.miami.edu/services.asp

(Must be a really tight affiliation. )

In the meantime, good day. And, again, farewell all.

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Old 09-11-2004, 09:19 AM
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well

Well actually Skip I hold in my hand a copy of the actual contract between Larkin and UM dated Jan 13, 2000, signed by the Associate VP for Business Services at UM, the CEO of Larkin and the chairman of FP at Larkin. I received this from Ross's attorney as part of a thick packet to be presented to US immigration for the purposes of securing a visa to do clinicals in the US (Ross charged me a hefty legal fee too). I have no facilities to scan it to you. If you have a specific question about its contents, I will look it up and transcribe the corresponding section here.
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Old 09-13-2004, 09:53 AM
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Hey Skip, did your MCAT reading comprehension score suck?

Skip, You certainly have a lot of time in your hands. I will not continue to reply to your absurd conclusions, it is obvious that you have a problem with reading comprehension.

Perhaps you should have invested it better preparing for the MCAT's and getting good grades so you didn't have to be so bitter about having to attend a foreign medical school.
Thank God the rest of the Ross Students are nicer and definitely smarter than you.

Having had the priviledge to attend a US medical school I can say that I am very impressed at the tenacity and effort of most of the Ross students, but every once in a while you run into somebody like Skip who would do better going into a field that does not require high intellectual function.

Hopefully Skip will pay better attention and invest more time in his school work so he won't actually graduate as a doctor (and alas actually get a license to practice medicine)and become another dangerous doctor.
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Old 09-13-2004, 07:13 PM
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no personal attacks

I have not read much of this thread, and must admit, I have no clue, nor do i really care to know what larkin has to do with kings county. I must admit though, I feel that I am highly suspect that this is the real dr michel. I havemet the man, and he doesnt seem the type for personal attacks such as this. Ialso was under the impression that he attended medical school in colombia, and not in the US, though I could be wrong on that one. But I do have a test. going back a few years, a significant event occured in the life of Dr michel. In january (or early febr) of 2001, Dr michel spent alot of time in a certain dept of larkin hospital, including spending nights there. If dr michel can tell us what department that was( no need to say why, I know the reason, and will not divulge it ), then I will attest to the fact that this must truely be dr michel.
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Old 01-31-2007, 09:58 AM
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HAhahhahaa. just read through all this and I think Dr. Jack dost protest too much! Puh-lease, everyone knows that Larkin crew are a bunch of crooks!
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This whole thread is so old it is moldy. I am locking it for archived information.
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