Thread: Devry Investors upset with shady business practices, mainly with Ross

DeVry Inc. Former Student Investigation | Shareholders Foundation

Here are the highlights in case you are too lazy to read it -

"For-Profit Colleges: Undercover Testing Finds Colleges Encouraged Fraud in Deceptive and Questionable Marketing Practices"

"... Ross University Schools of Medicine may have material information concerning those allegations and may be eligible to file a complaint for allegedly misleading students"

"Under the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act signed into law in July the SEC can award between 10 percent and 30 percent of any monetary sanctions of more than $1 million to whistleblowers who provide “original information” leading to a successful SEC enforcement..."

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Got to give Devry some credit for getting a piece (two pieces now) of the medical school cash cow.

Originally Posted by Tipton

Got to give Devry some credit for getting a piece (two pieces now) of the medical school cash cow.

shhhhhhhh, people cant know the truth about how much money US-med schools bring in for, um. not-for-profit-use?

Originally Posted by Synophrys

I don't know why you guys are so angry at me for. I merely posted an article and used correct MLA format for quoting the statements made. You can clearly see the "..." before and after a statement if the quote was taken from a sentence. I made no effort to insert opinion (See below for my response to that one)nor did I intentionally mislead anyone. So put on your big boy pants and read the article before making outlandish remarks and direct your anger at the author of the article not the messenger.

on a side note, since I witheld my opinion from the original post -

Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me that Ross has NEVER once mislead you with any statements concerning your education? Because they were so upfront about the bahamas, PACE, Delkalb medical center and California, ACGME rotationis for medical license.... Don't even get me started on their grading policies and turnaround time for clinical evaluations.

The truth is, the administration is constantly misleading students. It's no secret. This investigation just calls them out on it and named Ross. If you look at the Devry stock portfolio, you will see that Ross Univ is the primary source for their market value. It's happening, deal with it. I posted this to let other students who feel like Ross has lied to them know that they have an option to voive their concerns. It's sad when other users ask moderators to shut it down because they don't like what they read, but I understand your point of veiw, suppress the media and blame those who oppose your point of view. I just didn't think this thread would succumb to Godwins Law so fast... nice work!

Regardless of if they mislead you or not, the title is misleading. 1st there is no mention in the original article about the investors anywhere. Not one. 2nd There is nothing singling out Ross at all either. It simply lists Devry and All their subsidiaries. You did use ellipses before/after certain quotes but you definitely skewed the "quotes" from the article to suit your opinion or what you were trying to highlight. Normally I would agree with you but on this we have very different opinions.

Also I hate to say it but Ross really hasn't mislead me one bit. Maybe because I do my own research and don't rely on the school hardly at all for anything I don't have to. But overall I've had a great experience and I'll be in 8th semester in about 2 weeks. Longest I waited for a clinical eval was 8 weeks. I'm not sure if you know but more than one site has informed me that some sites hold evals from Ross b/c Ross has failed to pay them. They get the students to get on Ross' case so that they finally pay them and then they will send out the evaluations. Obviously Ross should be paying these sites on time but it highlights the point that it's not always Ross, sometimes sites don't send in the evaluations in a timely manner.

What has Ross mislead about the PACE program?

The Bahamas thing I get. However, if you think about it at the time they opened it they were classifying it as a clinical site. If California saw it as a clinical site there would have been no reason to worry about it at all, however, since they saw it as a branch campus it needed review. Also to note California approved it retroactively so regardless it's a moot point.

Lastly, the basis of the article is that they forced people to enroll and fill out financial aid forms basically to defraud the government and the students. When did Ross ever do that? They definitely offered me financial aid counseling before I signed up for anything.

Originally Posted by Jak3

Your title is misleading. There is not mention of the investigation being mainly on Ross as you state on the tittle. The investigation is on for-profit schools.

Also, how you single out Ross in your "highlights" makes it seem as a personal attack on Ross other than just a quick summary. So the whole "I made no effort to insert opinion nor did I intentionally mislead anyone" is completely false

But still thank you for the article, is good to know

I completely agree. For instance ahem...

Originally Posted by Synophrys

...why you guys are so angry...for. I merely...made no effort...nor did I...put on...big boy pants...seriously...

The truth is, ... I posted this to...lied to them... It's sad...I...succumb...so fast... nice work!

I hope I'm not the only one who see's that I posted in perfect MLA for quoting something. Anyone can insert "..." before and/after parts of a sentence to make their point. The key is to do it without losing sight of the full body of the text in which this case it obviously lost point.

Originally Posted by YZF600

yea I'm not reading a 140 page document to find evidence that ross gives devry the majority of it's income.

You may be right on that matter. but it still doesnt detract from the fact your lawsuit website is, frankly, a joke. I laugh at it.

I agree, it's simply some disgruntled Devry (not even sure about that) students who are upset. Maybe they should put their man pants on and stop whining about how they were lied to or misrepresented. Said this a million times, guess I'll have to say it a million more. If 8,500 people can do it before you and not have been "lied to" then guess what, you can too.

Originally Posted by medic300107

I completely agree. For instance ahem...



I hope I'm not the only one who see's that I posted in perfect MLA for quoting something. Anyone can insert "..." before and/after parts of a sentence to make their point. The key is to do it without losing sight of the full body of the text in which this case it obviously lost point.

I lol'ed. Pro mod at work.

you guys are seriously out of control. I merely posted the article and everyone is attacking me for pointing out a source of information.

For those of you who like to think that previous grads are somehow immune to the Ross lies, maybe you should ask some of the ones practicing in California. You should focus on how many rotations they had to repeat. You can also ask about the people who did rotations at Dekalb medical center.

Also, I really enjoyed how you guys pointed out that the evaluations are withheld by the rotation site because Ross failed to pay... how is this not Ross's fault? You give them your money, you do the rotation, yet you do not get the end result (your grade), and you blame the rotation site?? I was under the impression that when I pay my tuition, Ross will provide the education. It shouldn't be my responsibility as a consumer to constantly monitor where my tuition dollars are spent.

I also enjoyed the request for my "sources" and when provided you won't even read them, and then you have the stones to say you guys do your own research... really? You don't even have to read the entire 140 pages, just look at the pretty pictures.

My personal favorite is the lengthy rant by a forum moderator and the awesome lack of command of the english language. Your point is well taken with the quotes, but your example is fundamentally flawed in its execution. Perhaps you could benifit from a new copy of the little brown handbook. Well played though, but still dissapointing to see coming from a forum moderator.

Again I must ask, why am I getting blamed for the article. It is neither my lawsuit, nor my website. The reason I said it was mainly Ross, is because I did read the 140 page annual report, and Ross is the single largest contributor to the Devry Inc shareholders by far. Devry Inc is synonymous with Ross University. It was not an intentional misrepresentation, it was a logical connection between the parent company and the largest for profit subsidiary of the company. Blame me if you want to, but doing so will not change the facts that Ross is intentionally ambiguous and misleading the students.

I generally don't hold the OP's posts in high regard most of the time, but I find no find no fault with his post here and agree that any knee jerk defensiveness here of Ross isn't warranted and most likely has more to do with the idea that defending Ross from it's obvious faults and shadiness is in itself an ego defense. Ross's shady practices are indefensible but it shouldn't make someone feel like it's a reflection on what kind of Doctor they are or will be. Ross is simply a means to an ends and it's not the worst but there's still no excuse for some of the things that Ross does. I would have a very difficult time recommending Ross to anyone and since I have no experience with any other carib school couldn't say much else besides try to boost your CV for DO or US MD school because the cost and what you get don't even come close to being equal. I used to have a more positive view but after the money grab that is 5th semester the dirty side of Ross really became more obvious to me. Again though, it's a means to end, but there's no sentimental value I attribute to Ross, it's simply a cold business like relationship, where you have to stay vigilant to make sure you don't get screwed over to hard and just get it done with.

Originally Posted by Synophrys

...My personal favorite is the lengthy rant by a forum moderator and the awesome lack of command of the english language. Your point is well taken with the quotes, but your example is fundamentally flawed in its execution. Perhaps you could benifit from a new copy of the little brown handbook. Well played though, but still dissapointing to see coming from a forum moderator.

1) Check out my MLA-style ellipsis preceding a quote. This makes me look educated, and by me pointing out that this is "MLA-style", makes me look even more educated.
2) Lol @ "benifit" and "dissapointing", coming no more than two sentences after being a grammar nazi. Does this make me a grammar nazi? I think it's been established in previous posts, but your irony needs to be called out.

Originally Posted by Synophrys

you guys are seriously out of control. I merely posted the article and everyone is attacking me for pointing out a source of information.

For those of you who like to think that previous grads are somehow immune to the Ross lies, maybe you should ask some of the ones practicing in California. You should focus on how many rotations they had to repeat. I'm not aware of anyone having to repeat a rotation. Definitely not b/c of Bahamas, only thing I can think of is Dekalb but from what I understand that was all resolved. You can also ask about the people who did rotations at Dekalb medical center.

Also, I really enjoyed how you guys pointed out that the evaluations are withheld by the rotation site because Ross failed to pay... how is this not Ross's fault? Read more carefully, I put that as one example but to point out that sometimes (maybe not for the $ issue) it's the site not sending in the rotation eval not Ross.You give them your money, you do the rotation, yet you do not get the end result (your grade), and you blame the rotation site?? I was under the impression that when I pay my tuition, Ross will provide the education. It shouldn't be my responsibility as a consumer to constantly monitor where my tuition dollars are spent.

I also enjoyed the request for my "sources" and when provided you won't even read them, and then you have the stones to say you guys do your own research... really? You don't even have to read the entire 140 pages, just look at the pretty pictures.

My personal favorite is the lengthy rant by a forum moderator and the awesome lack of command of the english language. 1) I'm a person too and entitled to my opinion just as you are yours. 2) Thank you for pointing out my grammatical errors on an informal web board. 3) I think I pointed out some significant flaws in an "arguement" so to speak and wanted them to be noticed. Judging by the response at least a couple people noticed the flaws in the OP. Your point is well taken with the quotes, but your example is fundamentally flawed in its execution. I fail to see it, I took something posted and requoted it to prove a point. Is that not what you did previously? I'm going to preempt your no mine was more pointed with, while more pointed it completely changed the way people would look at it and also your title is 100% off base as no where in either the 140 page document or that article/website did I see the investors being upset. So in the end yes you did mislead people with your article, it's blatant. Perhaps you could benifit from a new copy of the little brown handbook. Well played though, but still dissapointing to see coming from a forum moderator. Still not sure why moderators can't make points and have to sit back and accept what everyone posts. I am objective in moderating but again I am still able to post my opinion and make points. That is of course as long as they are within Terms of Service.

Again I must ask, why am I getting blamed for the article. I don't think anyone is arguing about the article; however, you are the one who created the title that has no basis (from your sources) and used ellipses to change the point of the article from all Devry institutes to just Ross. It is neither my lawsuit, nor my website. The reason I said it was mainly Ross, is because I did read the 140 page annual report, and Ross is the single largest contributor to the Devry Inc shareholders by far. Devry Inc is synonymous with Ross University.I disagree, Ross is a subsidiary and Devry is the parent company as it is with the Vet school, and all other Devry schools. Just because something brings in the most profit doesn't mean it's their only venture. It was not an intentional misrepresentation, it was a logical connection between the parent company and the largest for profit subsidiary of the company. Blame me if you want to, but doing so will not change the facts that Ross is intentionally ambiguous and misleading the students.

This is where you have not made the argument stick. You are using a potential lawsuit to prove something as fact where in reality I could sue you right now for misleading me. Does that mean I'll win? No. Anyone can start a lawsuit for any reason.

Originally Posted by SpursDoc

I find no find no fault with his post here and agree that any knee jerk defensiveness here of Ross isn't warranted and most likely has more to do with the idea that defending Ross from it's obvious faults and shadiness is in itself an ego defense. My post wasn't intended to be a specific defense of Ross, it was to highlight that the OP was misleading. After having done that I did address a few of the concerns by the OP with the information that I have at the time. Ross's shady practices are indefensible but it shouldn't make someone feel like it's a reflection on what kind of Doctor they are or will be. Ross is simply a means to an ends and it's not the worst but there's still no excuse for some of the things that Ross does. I would have a very difficult time recommending Ross to anyone and since I have no experience with any other carib school couldn't say much else besides try to boost your CV for DO or US MD school because the cost and what you get don't even come close to being equal. I used to have a more positive view but after the money grab that is 5th semester the dirty side of Ross really became more obvious to me. Again though, it's a means to end, but there's no sentimental value I attribute to Ross, it's simply a cold business like relationship, where you have to stay vigilant to make sure you don't get screwed over to hard and just get it done with.

I think in the end I'm jaded by all the people who continuously say Ross misleads you. Do they promise an MD if you start? No, they promise the chance. You are the one who has to do the work to get the MD. As far as clinicals and beyond basic sciences I have not experienced any of the problems and in fact have had great results as have more than a majority of my friends. I think the other incidences are more rare than the norm. I do agree that 5th semester is basically a waste of time for people who go to Miami. Michigan was half waste and half very useful.

No matter if you agree with the OP or some of the other arguments lets make sure to keep it all clean and pointed.

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Originally Posted by SpursDoc

Ross is simply a means to an ends and it's not the worst but there's still no excuse for some of the things that Ross does. I would have a very difficult time recommending Ross to anyone

Ouch! A little harsh?