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Old 07-01-2009, 10:03 PM
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Just heard that the student last semester who was violently robbed a day or two before mini 3, and who asked to be excused from the mini on the grounds that she was just mugged, still had to take it.
They gave her the option of repeating the semester, albeit they would pay for it.

Is this true? if yes, these people are really sick.

why are they incapable of being flexible?

why is the bureaucracy so dysfunctional?

Maybe the School Official who posts on here can respond- why are you people so determined to make us hate you?
You insult our intelligence by offering us bahamas- you think we care so much about our comfort that we will sacrifice the more impt things- and then you use all your silly legalese like this CAAM H accredidation stuff?

i hope administration people read this- please know that your inflexibility and ineptitude is mindboggling.
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Old 07-01-2009, 10:58 PM
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i understand if you're robbed before the mini you should be shaken up, but i don't think that either asking the student as long as they are otherwise passing to take the exam while in 4th is unreasonable. I have to see the schools point of view as well, they can't accurately decide who is really having serious psychological issues and leave that decision up to the person, i would think even being shaken up if you study the most important subject and ace that, then you can make up the rest at finals. One exam won't break someone unless they are borderline anyway.
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Usually, when something traumatic happens to a student, the administration WILL excuse them from an exam. However, if they excuse the student from an exam and the student is failing one or more courses, the student will still be failing. Was this student passing all courses? If a student says 'I was violently assaulted and they told me I still had to take the test', you have to ask yourself if there might be a little more to the story.

Also, you have to understand that the administration encounters a lot of student problems and many people in worse situations still take the exams. For example, I had a friend who was in the hospital in Portsmouth and then sent to the hospital in Roseau because she had such a severe case of food poisoning. Because she was hospitalized, they gave her the option to be excused from the exam (she was passing all courses) - she said 'thanks, but no thanks', took the exam and did well on every subject. Another friend had a similar story and persevered and took her exam as well.

I'm not trying to minimize this person's situation, but other students have overcome adversity and still taken their exams. In this case, if the student wasn't passing, what other option did Ross have?

From what you've written, I understand it like this: They told her she had to take the exam (because she had to take the exam to pass); in light of her situation, they told her that if she chose not to take it they would excuse her - but it would result in her current (failing) grade to stand. As such, she would have to repeat the semester. However, Ross would allow her to repeat the semester at no cost.

I'm not sure how much more compassion they could have shown (if this is actually the case - and it seems pretty plausible to me). I don't know that many schools would have agreed to let someone attend for free - regardless of their situation.

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Old 07-02-2009, 01:48 AM
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The student was passing I think but perhaps the grade show steady decline thus was unsuitable to justify a passing grade when that person could might just bomb the 3 exams and finals. The student received a Withdrawal - Pass which mean whatever grade the students had the moment doesn't account toward GPA. Doubt it was much consolation for the student but the student is still on the campus as first semester so I guess that she took it.
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only person thats sick is the OP for whining.... you get robbed big deal you move on its part of life...
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Whining? Robbery is not a part of everyday life that one can just move on from at will - and preparing for a mini, from my experience, requires a clear head and few distractions.

To Iniquity Bliss- even if student was failing, my point ( which i should have made clearer) is that admin could have been more flexible, maybe given a few extra days for student to clear her head, then take test. Yes, imagine that- they take a few minutes out of their 9-3:30 jobs and write up a new test for her. I'm not saying to do this for any student who asks, but i do think a victim of a violent crime deserves some extra consideration.

A friend of mine had to repeat 2nd semester because his brother was close to dying back home, before mini 3, and the student returned to the island, after visiting the brother, the day before the mini and had zero time to prepare, and then failed. no flexibility or compassion from admin.

In undergrad, same thing happened to me with a family member the day before a midterm, and i just quickly fired off an email to the prof who was very understanding and let me take the test a few weeks later. why should med school be different?
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Old 07-02-2009, 10:53 AM
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It is extremely difficult to justify missing tests for non life-threatening reasons. The administration knows that if they were to excuse this student that they would be expected to excuse the next student in a similar situation. I am not saying I am not sympathetic to the victim, I am just saying that the administration must enforce strict standards in order to maintain academic integrity. If you want to be a doctor, you will find a way to suck it up and do what is required of you to meet your goals. If you cannot do that, the world needs plenty of ditch diggers.
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You can't just have the student take the test later. Students start discussing the exam milliseconds after the test is over. This student who waited would have a huge leg up because you know there are scumballs at Ross that would go and tell the student what some of the questions were....they already do that for the anatomy practicals. Secondly, some of the teachers apparently have an exceedingly difficulty time making questions that are USMLE style/relating to their topic at all. I don't think asking them to make a 2nd test with different questions would come out all that well.
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Say she becomes a surgeon. If she is robbed one day, is taking the wrong kidney out the next day acceptable?
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Say she becomes a surgeon. If she is robbed one day, is taking the wrong kidney out the next day acceptable?
She wont do the surgery in the first place, because she's under stress. No one will want her to do it either, they'll tell her to take the day off.

Taking tests is not important enough, even in med school, to risk putting a student, already in high state of tension from crime, under more stress. it should not only be life threatening situations that get some sympathy from admin.
Do all you guys come from Detroit or something, you're all so inured to violent crime that you think a mini is more important?

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