Medical Board Not Accepting Chicago Affiliate Rotations

[callemurcia1]

A couple of frineds rotating in Chicago at affiliates of JPH have told me that their rotations are not being recognized by their respective medical board. The medical board is saying that the rotations are completed at a facility outside of the licensed facility JPH while the paperwork for that outside facility is being filled out at JPH. The medical board is looking very closely at all rotations completed at outside JPH affiliates. Be warned! It is illegal in the medical boards eyes to complete rotations at an outside facility and then to have your documentation filled out by JPH as if you completed your rotation in-house at JPH. Has anyone else had this problem?

[RossMD2006]

Which state(s) are you referring to? This is a big issue since I know of many students who have gone through JPH affiliates (Norwegian American Hospital, St. Bernard Hospital, Bethany Advocate) like myself. I am familiar with the ppl who are in charge of these rotations (outside of JPH). Please let me know.

What you have stated above is true. I have completed almost all my rotations at hospitals outside of JPH, but the paperwork states you did the rotation at Jackson Park Hospital. This is a serious problem for Ross and anyone who has completed rotations at these sites (if this is in fact true). Hundreds of students have done their rotations in these hospitals and if you cannot obtain licensure in the state of your choice, Ross should be held accountable.

On the other hand, I know of students who have done their rotations at these affiliates and they are in residency now. I have not heard of any problems other than what I hear here on this board.

I believe Swaydaa, bevo, and Jim completed their rotations here in Chicago. Any comments?

Thanks for any information.

[butters]

Wow...do you know which states your friends are having problems in?

I've posted this all along but please, if you decide to come to Chicago, get your rotations at JPH, not affiliates. Or try to get into St. Anthony's, Michael Reese....all of which have accredited residency programs affilated. I know it is much harder and you may have to wait, but at least later on, you will not have to worry about licensure. Or, go to other areas that have accredited rotations.

Unfortunately, I know of one former clinical advisor (L.D.) who was not putting anyone into JPH directly and only assigning people to outsourced rotations. This is going to affect a lot of people.

[Chianti]

Anyone really surprised by this?

This is the reason why myself, and other Ross alumni, always tell everyone to complete their cores in hospitals with ACGME residencies in that field. And also to complete all cores at Ross-affiliated hospitals.

Licensure laws are not a joke and not something to be taken lightly. For some reason, many Ross students do.

[RossMD2006]

Originally Posted by Chianti

Anyone really surprised by this?

This is the reason why myself, and other Ross alumni, always tell everyone to complete their cores in hospitals with ACGME residencies in that field. And also to complete all cores at Ross-affiliated hospitals.

Licensure laws are not a joke and not something to be taken lightly. For some reason, many Ross students do.

Well, Ross should not be placing students in these sites, if these rotations will not be considered by state medical boards. It is the responsibility of Ross to ensure students rotations that will allow them to pursue licensure in all 50 states. If certain rotations will not be considered by state medical boards, students should be warned of this before enrollment.

The primary responsibility of securing accredited clerkships lies in the hands of Ross admin. and should not be the responsiblity of students. You cannot place students in rotations, for the sake of placing students in rotations. It is the responsibility of Ross to make sure these sites are legit before placing students in them.

[got milk?]

if this is the case, then any student rotating through Surgery at Wyckoff won't get credit for it either.

It's Acgme "by affiliation".

problems here?

[butters]

Originally Posted by got milk?

if this is the case, then any student rotating through Surgery at Wyckoff won't get credit for it either.

It's Acgme "by affiliation".

problems here?

No, they are different situations. Wyckoff is an affiliated hospital through another program's Surgery Residency...meaning Residents are at the hospital as part of their Formal training.

The Chicago rotations that are outsourced are not officially "affiliated" meaning, residents are not rotating through these sites. JPH residents are not going to St. Bernard's, Bethany, or Norweigan unless one of the Attendings they work with goes to that hospital and they have to tag along. I think the Cardio guy at JPH makes his Residents go with him for Cardiac Caths to a different hospital (b/c JPH doesn't do Cardiac Caths).

[got milk?]

Originally Posted by butters

No, they are different situations. Wyckoff is an affiliated hospital through another program's Surgery Residency...meaning Residents are at the hospital as part of their Formal training.

The Chicago rotations that are outsourced are not officially "affiliated" meaning, residents are not rotating through these sites. JPH residents are not going to St. Bernard's, Bethany, or Norweigan unless one of the Attendings they work with goes to that hospital and they have to tag along. I think the Cardio guy at JPH makes his Residents go with him for Cardiac Caths to a different hospital (b/c JPH doesn't do Cardiac Caths).

hmm. i can't say that i've seen any MD surgery residents at Wyckoff.
Have you?

currently, only IM and FP are listed as approved under ACGME Accredited Program and Institutional Listing - Public Access

i wonder if certain states are gonna give us a hard time about this...

[RossMD2006]

I would like to hear from the original poster in regards to which state(s) are involved. When it comes down to it, its what the medical boards have to say that matters.

I talked to BW last year, the director of medical education at JPH and she stated that the hospitals I mentioned were affiliates of JPH. I have never seen any residents at these hospitals.

[Chianti]

Butters is right on with his reply.

Wyckoff Surgery IS ACGME.