Medical Board Not Accepting Chicago Affiliate Rotations

[callemurcia1]

Originally Posted by RossMD2006

Well, Ross should not be placing students in these sites, if these rotations will not be considered by state medical boards. It is the responsibility of Ross to ensure students rotations that will allow them to pursue licensure in all 50 states. If certain rotations will not be considered by state medical boards, students should be warned of this before enrollment.

The primary responsibility of securing accredited clerkships lies in the hands of Ross admin. and should not be the responsiblity of students. You cannot place students in rotations, for the sake of placing students in rotations. It is the responsibility of Ross to make sure these sites are legit before placing students in them.

So when you signed up for JPH affiliates you filled out the packet that RUSM provides you right? You supplied all your immunizations, PE, etc and you signed the last page of the packet which clearly states:

JACKSON PARKHOSPITAL – MEDICAL STUDENT PROGRAM
Clerkship Application – Policy of Suitability of Rotation

The criteria by which a state recognized the clinical training of those who apply for licensure as physicians varies in complexity and content from state to state. It is the student’s responsibility to verify that the credit received for clinical rotations obtained through this program will be acceptable to the state in which the student wishes to participate. All students are encouraged to familiarize themselves with the regulations, governing physician licensure in the state(s) in which they wish to practice and to make the determination whether these rotations meet the criteria specified in such regulations.

The program assumes no liability and makes no guarantees or promises whatsoever with regard to the suitability of these rotations for the purpose of physician licensure in any state.
I have read and understand the above:

Signature

Date

So basically everyone rotating at JPH affiliates is involved in illegal rotations that are in no way sanctioned by ACGME or approved for credit towards medical licensure by any state medical board. This type of practice is strictly prohibited by all state medical licensure boards and grounds for them to take legal action against you by denying you your medical license and severely sanctioning RUSM.

[RossMD2006]

Originally Posted by callemurcia1

So when you signed up for JPH affiliates you filled out the packet that RUSM provides you right? You supplied all your immunizations, PE, etc and you signed the last page of the packet which clearly states:

JACKSON PARKHOSPITAL – MEDICAL STUDENT PROGRAM
Clerkship Application – Policy of Suitability of Rotation

The criteria by which a state recognized the clinical training of those who apply for licensure as physicians varies in complexity and content from state to state. It is the student’s responsibility to verify that the credit received for clinical rotations obtained through this program will be acceptable to the state in which the student wishes to participate. All students are encouraged to familiarize themselves with the regulations, governing physician licensure in the state(s) in which they wish to practice and to make the determination whether these rotations meet the criteria specified in such regulations.

The program assumes no liability and makes no guarantees or promises whatsoever with regard to the suitability of these rotations for the purpose of physician licensure in any state.
I have read and understand the above:

Signature

Date

So basically everyone rotating at JPH affiliates is involved in illegal rotations that are in no way sanctioned by ACGME or approved for credit towards medical licensure by any state medical board. This type of practice is strictly prohibited by all state medical licensure boards and grounds for them to take legal action against you by denying you your medical license and severely sanctioning RUSM.

I don't remember reading this or signing anything. When I started rotations, I asked to be assigned to rotations. No contract was ever given to me.

Like I said, I know of ppl who did rotations with me from Ross and they are in residency. I unfortunately don't have their contact numbers so I cannot say whether they had similar problems.

When and where were you asked to sign this document? Again, which states gave your friends a hard time in regards to these "JPH-affiliate rotations."

[FreeSpirit]

So does this also apply to the family med rotation at Larkin? There's no residency program of any kind at Larkin that I know of.

[RossMD2006]

Originally Posted by butters

No, they are different situations. Wyckoff is an affiliated hospital through another program's Surgery Residency...meaning Residents are at the hospital as part of their Formal training.

The Chicago rotations that are outsourced are not officially "affiliated" meaning, residents are not rotating through these sites. JPH residents are not going to St. Bernard's, Bethany, or Norweigan unless one of the Attendings they work with goes to that hospital and they have to tag along. I think the Cardio guy at JPH makes his Residents go with him for Cardiac Caths to a different hospital (b/c JPH doesn't do Cardiac Caths).

Could it be that the JPH affiliates are hospitals which JPH family medicine residents are allowed to rotate at as part of their training? I, myself, have not seen any residents at any of the affiliate hospitals. The affiliation may exist, thus setting up a situation similar to the Wyckoff surgery rotation.

I would like to know which states are involved.

[got milk?]

Originally Posted by RossMD2006

Could it be that the JPH affiliates are hospitals which JPH family medicine residents are allowed to rotate at as part of their training? I, myself, have not seen any residents at any of the affiliate hospitals. The affiliation may exist, thus setting up a situation similar to the Wyckoff surgery rotation.

I would like to know which states are involved.

this could be a timebomb. i've got this dreadful feeling.

none of the wyckoff rotations are strictly Green except family and IM.
all the rest are affils of affils of affils.
Another hospital gets bought by another hospital, which then affils with another hospital........ and now a stupid rotation is suddenly GREEN???!

using the words of the OP, wyckoff is not licensed in anything but family and IM.


this sounds fishy. it stinks.

[MD0690]

Originally Posted by Chianti

Anyone really surprised by this?

This is the reason why myself, and other Ross alumni, always tell everyone to complete their cores in hospitals with ACGME residencies in that field. And also to complete all cores at Ross-affiliated hospitals.

Licensure laws are not a joke and not something to be taken lightly. For some reason, many Ross students do.

Right on Chianti. The way to stay clear of this is to go to places with Green Book residencies in the specialty you are clerking in. I am almost tired of typing these words to people. It appears that some board member in Illinois has caught wind of a small broke hospital trying to get around the licensing requirements to make some cash and is putting their foot down.

And for you idiots who are talking about Ross having to take care of it, good luck. That happens at US schools, not Ross. You have to look out for your own best interests, because Ross is looking out for themselves.

Greetings from the other side, PGY1.

[Chianti]

You cannot compare Jackson Park to Wyckoff. They are two seperate situations.

Jackson Park has a stand-only Family Practice residency. Jackson Park DOES NOT have any official affiliations with any medical school or other hospital.

Wyckoff, on the other hand, has its own Family and IM program. In addition, Wyckoff is affiliated with New York Medical College for OB-GYN and with Brooklyn Hospital for PEDS. Hence, Wyckoff is ACGME in all 50 states for Family, IM, OB-GYN, and PEDS. Another poster, Junito I believe, also provided a link that shows Wyckoff's affiliation with the ACGME Surgery residency from another institution- making Wyckoff ACGME for surgery as well.

[cavalletti]

Originally Posted by MD0690

It appears that some board member in Illinois has caught wind of a small broke hospital trying to get around the licensing requirements to make some cash and is putting their foot down.

Is Illinois the state that was questioning JPH and affiliates?

[cavalletti]

Originally Posted by callemurcia1

So when you signed up for JPH affiliates you filled out the packet that RUSM provides you right? You supplied all your immunizations, PE, etc and you signed the last page of the packet which clearly states:

JACKSON PARKHOSPITAL – MEDICAL STUDENT PROGRAM
Clerkship Application – Policy of Suitability of Rotation

The criteria by which a state recognized the clinical training of those who apply for licensure as physicians varies in complexity and content from state to state. It is the student’s responsibility to verify that the credit received for clinical rotations obtained through this program will be acceptable to the state in which the student wishes to participate. All students are encouraged to familiarize themselves with the regulations, governing physician licensure in the state(s) in which they wish to practice and to make the determination whether these rotations meet the criteria specified in such regulations.

The program assumes no liability and makes no guarantees or promises whatsoever with regard to the suitability of these rotations for the purpose of physician licensure in any state.
I have read and understand the above:

Signature

Date

So basically everyone rotating at JPH affiliates is involved in illegal rotations that are in no way sanctioned by ACGME or approved for credit towards medical licensure by any state medical board. This type of practice is strictly prohibited by all state medical licensure boards and grounds for them to take legal action against you by denying you your medical license and severely sanctioning RUSM.

Has anyone seen/signed this waiver?

I wasn't aware that a waiver was required before starting clinicals, is this standard?

[butters]

Originally Posted by got milk?

hmm. i can't say that i've seen any MD surgery residents at Wyckoff.
Have you?

currently, only IM and FP are listed as approved under ACGME Accredited Program and Institutional Listing - Public Access

i wonder if certain states are gonna give us a hard time about this...

I haven't been to Wyckoff so I don't know if the Surgery residents are there or not, but they are listed under another program's Surgery Residency as either a Participating or Affiliated Institution.

However, St. Bernard's, Norweigan, Bethany are not listed as Participating Institutions under JPH's FM accreditation at ACGME. I believe the only hospital listed is Cook County and either Loyola or Mt. Sinai (because the Residents do go there and rotate in Pedes).