Medical Board Not Accepting Chicago Affiliate Rotations

[jim]

loop hole? take it from somebody who is now in the practicing end of things. It is totally legal...100%. we see docs who have done this stuff all the time, and it is not a problem. It is comparable to some FP programs have "rural tracks". these allow residents to work in rural communities, but still be considered part of the residency. just because nobody is actually working thet track at a given time, doesnt mean it no longer exists. the norwegian thing was totally legal when i was there. now the exception would be if they(JPH) had not renewed this relationship(on paper) with the other hospital.

you can call a lawyer about suing them, but based on this, i think you may spend alot of money for a lwyer to eventually say "you got nothing to go on".

[Almost Home]

Well I dont know if this will make a difference in anyones opinion as to how "legal" the JPH rotations are but here is what I found out from my own experience.

I did a few rotations at Norwegian and while there I got to know a certain doctor (cant mention any names) but he was on the board of directors and had been there for 28 years. I asked him about this whole JPH accrediation matter that everyone is talking about. He said he was completely unaware of any problem (but then he doesnt read value md I bet, although I didnt ask him) but he said it was legitimately accredited because they themselves (Norwegian) are a liscensed family practice residency program. He went on to say that they discontinued the program 4 years ago due to a lack of applicants and a false belief by most of the board of directors that the program was costing the hospital to much money. He told me that they hadnt given up their liscensure and that they had an agreement with JPH (who also has a family practice residency) to use one anothers hospitals for mutual training purposes. Even though they no longer have a residency (and he did say the board has discussed bringing it back during more than one of the monthly meeting this year) they still have a liscense and a contractoral umbrella traning agreement. Therefore the training of medical students at Norwegian is accredited.

Now you can take that for what its worth. I think if you want to believe that JPH rotations are not accredited to discredit the name of ROSS, have something to complain about on this forum, or simply because you like to be a pesimist then nothing that you are told will make a difference any way.

I my self have never heard of one single individual who has had a problem with accrediation of thier rotations and I know several who are now in residency who I did rotations with or who I knew while I was there.

From my own personal findings and experience I think this whole this is simply a viscous rumor someone started, that is until one individual will come forth and give the circumstances under which they were denied residency or accrediation because of JPH rotations.

There, I said my peace.

[callemurcia1]

Originally Posted by Almost Home

Well I dont know if this will make a difference in anyones opinion as to how "legal" the JPH rotations are but here is what I found out from my own experience.

I did a few rotations at Norwegian and while there I got to know a certain doctor (cant mention any names) but he was on the board of directors and had been there for 28 years. I asked him about this whole JPH accrediation matter that everyone is talking about. He said he was completely unaware of any problem (but then he doesnt read value md I bet, although I didnt ask him) but he said it was legitimately accredited because they themselves (Norwegian) are a liscensed family practice residency program. He went on to say that they discontinued the program 4 years ago due to a lack of applicants and a false belief by most of the board of directors that the program was costing the hospital to much money. He told me that they hadnt given up their liscensure and that they had an agreement with JPH (who also has a family practice residency) to use one anothers hospitals for mutual training purposes. Even though they no longer have a residency (and he did say the board has discussed bringing it back during more than one of the monthly meeting this year) they still have a liscense and a contractoral umbrella traning agreement. Therefore the training of medical students at Norwegian is accredited.

Now you can take that for what its worth. I think if you want to believe that JPH rotations are not accredited to discredit the name of ROSS, have something to complain about on this forum, or simply because you like to be a pesimist then nothing that you are told will make a difference any way.

I my self have never heard of one single individual who has had a problem with accrediation of thier rotations and I know several who are now in residency who I did rotations with or who I knew while I was there.

From my own personal findings and experience I think this whole this is simply a viscous rumor someone started, that is until one individual will come forth and give the circumstances under which they were denied residency or accrediation because of JPH rotations.

There, I said my peace.

Mr. D, If Ross University submits a Form L6 on your behalf stating that you completed a surgery rotation at Jackson Park Hospital on 7531 South Stony Island Avenue when, in reality, you did the surgery rotation in another facility 5 miles away, that's perjury. The Form L6 needs to reflect the actual facility where the training took place, and that facility needs to be an approved teaching facility as defined by California statute. Ross University can't circumvent the location problem by stating some vague location on the Form L6, say, for example: Jackson Park Clinical Network or Jackson Park Regional Authority, Inc. For career purposes, you need to train in the best facilities possible. For purposes of California licensure, you need to ensure that your licensing application and all supporting documents reflect only true statements. Filing false statements in licensing applications is treated very harshly at the Medical Board of California. Please protect yourself and your future career from others' poor judgments. Let me know if you have other questions.

P. P., Foreign Schools Liaison, Medical Board of California

[sanjay28]

Originally Posted by callemurcia1

Mr. D, If Ross University submits a Form L6 on your behalf stating that you completed a surgery rotation at Jackson Park Hospital on 7531 South Stony Island Avenue when, in reality, you did the surgery rotation in another facility 5 miles away, that's perjury. The Form L6 needs to reflect the actual facility where the training took place, and that facility needs to be an approved teaching facility as defined by California statute. Ross University can't circumvent the location problem by stating some vague location on the Form L6, say, for example: Jackson Park Clinical Network or Jackson Park Regional Authority, Inc. For career purposes, you need to train in the best facilities possible. For purposes of California licensure, you need to ensure that your licensing application and all supporting documents reflect only true statements. Filing false statements in licensing applications is treated very harshly at the Medical Board of California. Please protect yourself and your future career from others' poor judgments. Let me know if you have other questions.

P. P., Foreign Schools Liaison, Medical Board of California

This looks legit guys. I did a search and there is a person with this title and initials registered with the California Medical Board. This is getting serious!

[jim]

funny, i know a few dozen people who went to JPH who finsihed residency and now are fully licensed in california without problems. calle, how do you explain that?

i agree with almost home. no amount of proof or common sense will change calles or some others opinions and attempts to whine.

[akwasiatta]

Anybody can post those statements with that initials. P, P. If that could be so, then the validity of such is questionable.

[rokshana]

Originally Posted by akwasiatta

Anybody can post those statements with that initials. P, P. If that could be so, then the validity of such is questionable.

actually PatParks (and that is her user name here so no TOS violation) is the foreign school liasion for the cali med board and is listed on vmd as such.

the poster probably just put the initals thinking that putting her name here would be a TOS violation.

[FireFighterMD]

informative thread

[callemurcia1]

Originally Posted by akwasiatta

Anybody can post those statements with that initials. P, P. If that could be so, then the validity of such is questionable.

Do your homework if your gonna make statements like this. Yes this person exists and her name is Pat Park and her title is Foreign Schools Liaison, California Medical Board. If you don't believe me call her yourself and pose the situation to her and she'll explain the legalities of it.

And Jim that's great that you know people that have completed rotations at JPH affiliates with no problems regarding licensure. The point I am making is that this practice is in fact illegal, and the only reason no medical board has taken issue with this is because they are unaware that this is occurring. Are you familiar with the movie Erin Brockovich??? You realize all it takes is a single "whistle-blower" to get this ball rolling

Take the rose colored glasses off every once in awhile and join us in the real world.