ERAS LORs - Page 3

TheeeGod · #21 (**permalink**) 07-19-2007, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dyphylobrothim

to tell you the truth, i have already sent in three letters without waiving my right to see the letter. 1) I will not send in any letters without first seeing what is says 2) If i have seen the letter i will not lie and say i have. This will be explained to the program directors if asked.
I received all the letters from attendings, they handed the letter to me, and told me to mail it in. It is hard enough to approach someone after a medicine rotation one year ago to ask for a letter of rec. If they even agree to writing it, they simply hand back the letter to you, they cant be bothered to mail in this stuff. So it is the way it is and i am sure that more than 65% of all applicants are approaching it this way as well. Whether, you see it or not, as long as an original signature is present and not a copy, i dont see a problem.

So you put waive or not waive?

Helicon · #22 (**permalink**) 07-19-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jackbnimble

Directors of residency and fellowship programs are responsible for
verifying the authenticity of letters of recommendation. In most of the
recent cases reviewed by the ECFMG Medical Education Credentials
Committee, the fraudulent letters of recommendation were detected by
program directors attempting to verify the letters' authenticity.

It'd be nice to know which program actually destroyed the life of those 12 applicants so people will stop applying to those programs.

jackbnimble · #23 (**permalink**) 07-19-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Helicon

It'd be nice to know which program actually destroyed the life of those 12 applicants so people will stop applying to those programs.

You don't really promote the submission of fraudulent letters of recommendation do you?

Jackb

Helicon · #24 (**permalink**) 07-19-2007, 06:49 PM

No, I don't promote submission of fraudulent LoRs. I just don't like the fact that the applicants life is destroyed over the waiver check which is controversial as discussed above.

wcb22 · #25 (**permalink**) 07-19-2007, 07:10 PM

actually, i think that those 12 letters were not about waiver issues. i think those 12 individuals actually typed up their own letter, and made a letterhead, and put some docs name on there.

then the ECFMG scanned in the letter, didn't think anything of it, but when the program director tried to verifty the letter's content, and found it was a fake, you'd better believe the PD must have been ticked off.

it also makes you wonder how many people who have submitted false letters actually got away with it. i would venture it's in the 100s, maybe more, over the last few years.

TheeeGod · #26 (**permalink**) 07-19-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Helicon

No, I don't promote submission of fraudulent LoRs. I just don't like the fact that the applicants life is destroyed over the waiver check which is controversial as discussed above.

I think you are misinterpreting the newsletter if you conclude that the 12 people were caught b/c they checked the I waive circle when they saw the letter. I am positive that will not get you barred from getting a residency. These people probably fabricated fake letters and were then caught red-handed i.e. something to the extent of me getting a letter from J. Gass or J. Lawton saying I am the best student they ever had!!!

rokshana · #27 (**permalink**) 07-19-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Helicon

It'd be nice to know which program actually destroyed the life of those 12 applicants so people will stop applying to those programs.

i think they destroyed themselves don't you think?

jackbnimble · #28 (**permalink**) 07-19-2007, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TheeeGod

I think you are misinterpreting the newsletter if you conclude that the 12 people were caught b/c they checked the I waive circle when they saw the letter.

I think you are right. Waiving the right to see the letter, then seeing it absent a fraudulent act would not be an enforceable action.

Jack

dyphylobrothim · #29 (**permalink**) 07-19-2007, 11:16 PM

My situation here is that, i received these letters before any ERAS 2008 opened with the "recommendation letter request", so i had these letters sitting in my apartment for some 3 months, so i am supposed to check the "waive" box just because it looks better. So then be it, let some PDs not invite me for an interview. There is absolutely nothing i can do about this, it is what it is and i am not going to lie.

b12

Kronos · #30 (**permalink**) 07-20-2007, 06:35 AM

The newsletter item pretty clearly states that the LORs that those applicants submitted partially or wholly fraudulent letters - which was found out by PDs. Waiving/Not waiving probably had nothing to do with it. If after an investigation it was found out that these letter were indeed forged, this is an appropriate punishment, no doubt. Maybe their careers are ruined, but how can you argue to reinstate their certificate? They lied and tried to cheat the system. That might work at a carib school but shouldn't work at residency time.

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