?s about clinicals - Page 3

tno77 · #21 (**permalink**) 01-13-2007, 12:23 AM

Add Kern to the dead rotations list...2-3 students PER YEAR.

Helicon · #22 (**permalink**) 01-13-2007, 12:56 AM

I haven't heard much from Ross after I left Miami. The only time that I talked to NJ office was when I wanted to inform them about the rotation that I already set up myself. Sometimes I wonder whether I'm still in school or not. Clinical department has done nothing for me. Where did my 12K per semester tuition go?

thethom · #23 (**permalink**) 01-13-2007, 02:04 AM

Look on the bright side, it could be like the clinical department of the school I transferred to Ross from...

....at least you know it will EVENTUALLY happen...

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Originally Posted by dyphylobrothim

Its actually quite disappointing. So many of the problems with the clinical department can be managed externally. For example, the majority of 4th year students are calling about their last rotations and advice about timelines and the such for the match. If they would just post everything a students needs to know about the match, timelines, information about deans letters, USMLE step II on the ross website it would make such a difference. In addition, I would like all clinical grades posted online. Every school in the Caribbean has managed to meet with their clinical department at a common rotation site. I have not heard of a single meeting where a ross advisor comes to a hospital (wyckoff) and speaks to all the students about problems concerns and answers questions. This is how you keep students informed. This is how you keep approval rates high. We are not on the island anymore and jersey is but a 40 minute drive from NYC. Its sad that i actually look at the graduate medical education office at the hospital as my advisor.
Why does ross not have SHELF exams??? I am baffled. Oh, thats right, our tuition would have to go up 1000.00 bucks AGAIN. There was such a push in basic sciences for all these shelf exams, and now that we are in clinicals, nothing, not a thing.

I am truly dissapointed with ROSS and how a big business such as theirs manages their customers. I can not wait to be done with ross.

b12

MD2009 · #24 (**permalink**) 01-13-2007, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by thethom

Look on the bright side, it could be like the clinical department of the school I transferred to Ross from...

....at least you know it will EVENTUALLY happen...

Some consoldidation -- comparing our institution ( Ross ) to fecal matter ... is that the benchmark ????

WE pay a LOT of money . As the honorable Singer pointed out , the problem is that they have increased their students population too rapidly .

We need to add more hospitals . Even AUA is increasing their slots

Singer should be hired as a consultant .

DrVinsk · #25 (**permalink**) 01-13-2007, 10:15 AM

You're right. Even MitchDC has to struggle to come up with good things to say about the clinical department. They simply don't care about students problems. Take the initiative to do yourself in 2 days what would've taken Ross months to do and they threaten you for handling their business. It doesn't help that Ross has its own 'back door' policy as well. Certain people will get rotations due to connections within, or their family holds a strong position with Ross etc.... When students who are one to several semesters behind you are getting all their rotations scheduled there is obvious foul play at stake. However, most of the problems arise simply because of Ross' imcompetent clinical staff. If their not on vacation their in a meeting, if not a meeting their on a break...or 'out of the office'. Must be nice having lunch from 11am to 3:30pm. So come on MitchDC...tell us how hard working the staff is and how difficult their job is and how grateful we should be of them. Please. Singer, you're right about the over population as well....but it would be helpful if those Carribeans would get off messenger, put down their meat patties and get to work!

Water · #26 (**permalink**) 01-13-2007, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DrVinsk

You're right. Even MitchDC has to struggle to come up with good things to say about the clinical department. They simply don't care about students problems. Take the initiative to do yourself in 2 days what would've taken Ross months to do and they threaten you for handling their business. It doesn't help that Ross has its own 'back door' policy as well. Certain people will get rotations due to connections within, or their family holds a strong position with Ross etc.... When students who are one to several semesters behind you are getting all their rotations scheduled there is obvious foul play at stake. However, most of the problems arise simply because of Ross' imcompetent clinical staff. If their not on vacation their in a meeting, if not a meeting their on a break...or 'out of the office'. Must be nice having lunch from 11am to 3:30pm. So come on MitchDC...tell us how hard working the staff is and how difficult their job is and how grateful we should be of them. Please. Singer, you're right about the over population as well....but it would be helpful if those Carribeans would get off messenger, put down their meat patties and get to work!

If Ross does not care about its business, then who does? It is all about priority.
Stop pulling MitchDC in your conversation to add more words at his expense
"Back Door," what back door, what evidence do yo have? why don't you tell Ross directly.
Even so, if you are short wear high heels; if you are poor, work harder; if you have no connection, study harder.
About Singer, he is informative. Nevertheless, he sounds biased. Often, he is on the negative side. If he really cares about us, instead of telling, he should contact Ross as a concerned parent to make changes.
There are some stupid Americans, but most Americans are not. Hence, some Carribeans' work ethic is less than desirable based on your limited observation, experience, and multi-ethnic exposure, it does not imply that Caribeans are the way you referred to.
Excuse my explossiveness Dr. Sink or Dr. Stink, whatever.

sukhtinder · #27 (**permalink**) 01-13-2007, 09:01 PM

i remember in my day, after i passed step 1, i didnt hear back from the clinical dept for WEEKS, it may have even been a few months. finally when i had my dad send in a tuition check instead of waiting for financial aid, i finally go a scheduled fedexed to me (after another month still), with at least 2-3 non acgme cores. they did offer me to go back to dominica to do some rotations at princess margaret, which i politely declined.

i had to argue and argue with them, i was thretened with being withdrawn from the school if i didnt accept their terms, or if i tried to change the rotations myself. to make a long story short, even though i passed all my steps on tiime with all semesters on time, i still gradauted a yr late because there were so many gaps in my schedule, and i was loaded up with filler ** electives before ever doing any cores (and doing psych as my last 6 weeks of school).

any clinical medicine i learned was at kaplan for step 2 or during residency.

plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

MD2009 · #28 (**permalink**) 01-13-2007, 09:07 PM

[quote=sukhtinder;546793]i remember in my day, after i passed step 1, i didnt hear back from the clinical dept for WEEKS, it may have even been a few months. finally when i had my dad send in a tuition check instead of waiting for financial aid, i finally go a scheduled fedexed to me (after another month still), with at least 2-3 non acgme cores. they did offer me to go back to dominica to do some rotations at princess margaret, which i politely declined.

i had to argue and argue with them, i was thretened with being withdrawn from the school if i didnt accept their terms, or if i tried to change the rotations myself. to make a long story short, even though i passed all my steps on tiime with all semesters on time, i still gradauted a yr late because there were so many gaps in my schedule, and i was loaded up with filler ** electives before ever doing any cores (and doing psych as my last 6 weeks of school).

scary .I would think this where a med school will make money .
No overheads like in basic science - no buildings to maintain , professor's salaries etc
Just pay the hospitals a portion of the tuition you receive from the students.
It would be nice to get a schoo official to tell us things are better now.
I still say hire Singer

He will turn this whole thing around for the better ...plus he will be around till age 120 ...lots of experience and wisdom from the honorary Singer

thethom · #29 (**permalink**) 01-14-2007, 01:53 AM

Did you people complaining about not getting clinicals stay on the clinical department? I had my entire schedule within 2 weeks of submitting scores.... I called them twice a day, until it was done...Yeh wait times can be long, holding for someone from the clinical department, but you eventually get through.... hmmmmmmmm....persistance...

MD2009 · #30 (**permalink**) 01-14-2007, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by thethom

Did you people complaining about not getting clinicals stay on the clinical department? I had my entire schedule within 2 weeks of submitting scores.... I called them twice a day, until it was done...Yeh wait times can be long, holding for someone from the clinical department, but you eventually get through.... hmmmmmmmm....persistance...

THis further validates the need for Singer to be head of the clinical dept .
He will bring order , discipline , organization , responsbility and commitment . Hire Mr Singer

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