Kings County, NYC

[shutterbugmd]

i just got assigned a Psych rotation there! when does this take effect??

[wowtoo]

This place is full of Bipolar Secretorys, Attendings, and Nurses. The PA staff is generally good.

During my rotation at Kings I thought I was learning - yeah on how to put IV lines draw blood cart patients to x-ray-ct-us, oh yes all throughout the process I thought I was learning---scut work.

During morning rounds you had options based on who the attending was Dr R likes sit ins, Dr V/V likes walking, and the others were a mix based on their daily events. The doctors were competent, but as students we did not learn why we were doing something although we were lead to believe by our attendings that we were doing something great. Yes in the end I learned how to put IV lines quick, draw blood amazingly fast, and that’s were it ended.

There are no lectures, sit in rounds with Dr R (one of the meanest Bipolar characters you would ever see in your life!) would be filled with sexual and heavily profanity laid comments about almost every student. You will learn about 20 acronyms (egg. most causes of fever in Hosp pts, types of Sickle cell crisis) over and over again.

You will really learn while doing an elective rotation such as nephro, heme/onc then you will see the huge mistakes you made at kings county leading to patient mortality and morbidity.

Trust me...and I saying this while working as a resident at a pretty decent hospital in NY/NJ area, as a medical student you should read-be lectured-taught good PE skills and not walked over, insulted and humiliated by a fat buffoon like Dr R.

my two cent advice ...when you hear kings county...walk away..far...dont turn back...find a place where there are good teachers and time off to read.

blood draw-procedures-you will get plenty of time in surgical-anestheiology rotations-..oh heck go do phlebotomy rounds...if you wanna be an expert...for gods sake you now belong to an elite group of professionals! You do not have to go back to the days when you were no bodys!!!
I have medical students but I never (neither does my program) humiliate them and degrade them the way Dr R and his Bipolar clan did at Kings. do not go there...I did not heed this advice...and I went thinking I wanted to go hardcore and learn...

[shutterbugmd]

thank you for your comments..

[shutterbugmd]

thank you for your comments..

[thethom]

wowtoo obviously didn't make the best of his/her opportunities at kings. sure u do some scut, but the vast majority of the rotation involves learning to become autonomous in the entire care of the patient. Its a waste of your time and the patient's if you are rolling them around across the hospital to radiology when you could have ordered someone from escort service to do it for you (their job). Some cases are obviously warranted, like moving a patient that has taken a turn for the worse from Medicine to the ICU, because they can and DO code on the way there. Do you want a nurse or someone from escort doing the resuscitation, or a doctor (you). We all have ACLS and so we all should know what to do. if the attendings see you are intelligent and CONFIDENT, they won't berate you, and during rounds, you will present your case, say what you want to do, and they will agree with you. Fear is a great motivator for learning. I agree that one of the attendings can be quite intimidating, but he's trying to teach you something, and if you talk to him, and try to appreciate the reason he says things, and respect the fact that this comes from years of experience, then you will end up on his good side. Oh, and that secretary has been BOOOOOOTEDDDDD!!!! LOL to the joy of many....The nurses at every hospital will be temperamental, especially Kings.

[thethom]

Either way, its a shame this rotation went to SGU. I hope that somehow Ross students still get to do IM core there...

Psych at Kings was nothing special. Do it wherever you want...

[shutterbugmd]

the rotation went to SGU, but how come they've schedule me (and many others) to start in december... I have heard the horror stories about showing up to a hospital and... oops your not on the list. my fear is that NONE of us is going to be on the list. Any idea when this deal takes effect?

[thethom]

Call Ross tomorrow and find out for sure. And don't leave a message, they never call back, stay on the line until you get someone...

[Doct51]

I did my medicine at Kings County and it's definitely not worth it. If Ross scheduled you, get out asap. Knowing what I know now, I never would have went there. Why rotate at a place where you're on a service that doesn't have Residents if your interested in IM?? You have no opportunity to be noticed by a director of the service who is in charge of a residency program or even do a SubI with the hope that you'll have a job there come Match season. And doing research on a rotation and getting your name published definitely adds to your resume which will not happen at Kings County. I am so happy that floor is going down, St. George's will not be rotating on that service, they will be on the three other medicine floors with residents rotating with the Downstate students. The stories you read about on these threads are true and are not fabricated. Yes you get the few who love it and swear by it, but you get same experience there as you would if you did a 4 week ER rotation or a Critical Care elective. Do Medicine at a place that has residents where you can be noticed by attendings who will offer you a job.

[Doct51]

The effect took place July 27, 2007. It's on St. George's website, the loop hole is that if rotations were scheduled before this date you can do rotate there. Also, that medicine rotation, the floor you work on is technically not part of the hospital, i.e. is a service within the hospital. For example, if you have a patient with TB come in that was admitted to your service, you have to call up Medicine and have the patient transferred and do the transfer orders.