Shorter length of residency for Irish grads vs Carib. in MA?

[Miklos]

I thought that I would post a question here, as it has been raised on the European forum.

Rico claims that after he called the MA medical board, they told him that...

Originally Posted by Rico

State of MA said in some post-grad program, if u are from Irish, you can finish it with one year less. It means if SGU grad should take that post for 3 yrs in that State, Irish grad would it for 2 yrs.

My response was:

Originally Posted by Miklos

The state might give you a license earlier by giving you credit for a year of training (how exactly, I don't understand), but they've got nothing to do with the length of the residency.

That is strictly dependent on the ACGME and the specialty medical board.

The length of a residency is exactly the same no matter if you come from a US allopathic school, Ireland or Grenada.

One exception may exist: prior post-graduate training before coming to the US; in that case, some specialty boards may waive a year, but you'd need to be a specialist already. However, that has nothing to do with the state medical board.

I wonder if anyone here would like to chime in. The original thread is here.

Thanks,

Miklos

[Nimitt]

You were correct in your response Miklos. The length of residency across the country is the same set by the individual specialty and approved via ACGME and the governing board of that specialty. But some states allow residents to apply for state license after one year post-grad work (pgy 1) this can technically allow them to practice (I think!) but if they quit residency they will not be able to be board certified because the specialty boards require the completion of residency in order to sit for the written boards. This rule to apply for license after just one year of post grad is different for every state and coming from a US school or a foreign school makes a difference but the irish school vs. SGU I am not sure because they are both foreign schools.

[Picard]

Commonwealth of Massachusas (sp) has zero jurisdiction over how long a specialty residency training is. They cannot make someone's residency "shorter." If the Irish grad is already specialty-trained in Ireland, he/she may be able to be waived out a year by ACGME, NOT by Commonwealth of MA. I know board certified internists from UK/Ireland have been known to allowed to start as "PGY-II" in ACGME IM programs based on their board certification from UK/Ireland. I don't know all the details, but I've seen it happen.

Potential problem with this set-up is that there are some states that require 3 years of residencies to license an IMG. So, those IMG specialist that took up the offer of starting as PGY-II may find themselves with licensing issues in states that require 3 years of residency training since their residency is two years. Most folks I know get around thi by going onto fellowships or staying an extra year as a PGY-4 chief resident.

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[wolfvgang22]

Being able to get licensed one year earlier, while still in residency would make it possible to moonlight like US residents.

[stephew]

eh, residency is the same wherever you go. And residency in ireland itself is a never ending ordeal but thats another topic

[Miklos]

That's what I thought.

Thanks, all.

Miklos

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Miklos

That's what I thought.

Thanks, all.

Miklos

Miklos,

I am saying the same thing, YOU CAN JUST easily call and ask them.

Rico

[Miklos]

Originally Posted by Rico

Miklos,

I am saying the same thing, YOU CAN JUST easily call and ask them.

Rico

Rico,

Why the hell should I spend an inordinate amount of money calling the MA board (at international direct dial rates), when I know what you posit isn't true?

On the other thread in the Europe forum, you demonstrated your ignorance of what 'greenbook' means.

I've laid out exactly how licensure, residency and specialty certification are inter-related on the other thread.

Let's go over it one last time.

• 1) State medical boards do not set limits on residency times, except to require a certain amount of post-graduate training for full licensure.
  2) In MA (see other thread), a US/Canadian grad requires 1 year of approved post-graduate training for full licensure, whereas an IMG requires 2 years of approved post-graduate training.
  3) The length of a residency is determined by the ACGME and the ABMS individual member board.
  4) In certain instances, the member board may waive a year of residency for individuals who are already specialists in their home country, if the member board recognizes that country's specialty certification process. (See above for Picard's example.) However, this does not apply to newly graduated IMGs. In addition, even then (as Picard points out), these specialists must often find a way to get the third year of U.S. post-graduate training in order to gain full licensure in certain states.

In addition to the detailed information I've posted on the other thread, you've got plenty of evidence on this thread from licensed physicians such as Picard and Stephew (who if I'm not mistaken, actually works in MA).

So, here's what I'm going to do.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you either misunderstood what the MA board told you or they may have given you incorrect information (they're people, too).

However, since you continue to claim it, you'd better prove it. Simply call up the board again and clarify the information. Post a list of the programs where an Irish grad in MA can shorten his/her residency length by a year versus a grad from the Carib (or elsewhere).

If you don't (or don't correct the info), I'm simply going to have to resort to calling you a troll.

Fair enough?

Miklos

[neilc]

Originally Posted by Rico

Miklos,

I am saying the same thing, YOU CAN JUST easily call and ask them.

Rico

i don't think a phone call is required to show that you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Rico]

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i don't think a phone call is required to show that you have no idea what you are talking about.[/quote]

I am for sure know what I am talking about. You'd better read the story from the beginning.

Besides, the reality is what they said and what they are doing right now. Sorry to say that, but Who cares if you guys do not beleive it...
State of MA gives many Credit to Irish grads more than those of Carrib.

For Miklos, I am not a pre-med studens.

Good luck,
Rico