How is my argument stupid? He KILLED four people, and now you dismiss his crime. I think the death of (and results from it) four people is more than suficient grounds for a debate. You support life, yet you throw away the value of his victims. Do they not matter now that they are dead? Does the termination of Stanley not matter now?
What does it matter his actions in prison? From your argument someone who has aided society greatly should be free from prosicution. Had Mother Theresa gone a little loopy and killed a priest, should she not have been prosicuted based on her good works?

Murder is evil, evil must be kept from society. He killed, he died.

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Right, which is why I'm emphasizing the value of this particular individual to society. I believe the stats say that 1 in 500 of those on a life sentence get the death penalty. I'm sure there was a worst criminal than Tookie who deserved to take it.

And plus, what certainty do we have that he really did kill those four? He was convicted in 1979 by an all white jury and maintained his innocense until the end, all the while knowing that the death penalty would most likely be lifted if he admit to the crimes and confessed.

On another note, it's interesting and dare I say fun to see that Europeans are mad as well at Arnold. The Austrians want his Austrian citizenship stripped and his name taken off his hometown stadium Even Pope' top official is blasting the decision.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051213/...ms_execution_1

You are saying that life in prison has zero value as punishment. He is not "free from prosecution" if he has spent 24 years in a cell and will do so until his last breath.

NO I don't think Mother Theresa should have been killed if she ever killed a priest.

Do you think that white juries are not able to do the right thing? Does the color of their skin render them somehow less effective?

All Austrians? Or just the liberals. I think you can find enough people from just about anywhere who are upset at Arnold. (for doing the right thing.)


"Tookie bragged to his friends afterward that "you should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him," and then laughed about doing it. Then there was the Yang family. Tsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang, and their daughter, Yee Chen Lin were immigrants from Taiwan...and they ran a motel in South Central Los Angeles. That was, until Tookie came on the scene. On March 11, 1979, Tookie kicked down the door to the motel office and shot all three and killed them, again with a shotgun."

In 1981, Williams was caught beating up an other inmate with his fists, and ignored orders to stop. In 1982, Williams refused to an order to line up...and told a guard "you'll get yours boy, I can do anything now because I know what the gunmen will do...one of these days I'll trick you boy." Twice that same year, Tookie attacked guards with chemical substances. In 1984, Tookie was back to beating up another inmate...and didn't stop until a guard fired a warning shot. Also in 1984, Williams was caught making out with a female visitor. He told the guard then "you are looking around too much and that's not your job. I have dusted many officers on the street, one more would not make any difference." Sounds reformed to me. But there's more...1986...he beat up another inmate. 1988..he was stabbed in retaliation for a stabbing he ordered of another inmate. 1991...Tookie was again caught beating up another inmate. Same thing again in 1993. Get the idea?

http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html
The index changes daily. it is from 13 dec.

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The man is dead, he is at peace with himself!!!

So, check out this idea. I have a way that people for and against the death penalty to be happy AND erase the national debt!!

Here's what you do. You take these sickos, like this guy, not to mention other murderers, child molestors, rapists etc...and you auction these people off to the highest bidder!! These people can do WHATEVER they want with the convicted individual. The pro life people AND pro zap em' people can't complain! Because, who's to say what the highest bidder is going to do with the person?? Then, all the auction benefits would go to the effort to erase the national debt!! I mean, how much would people pay for Dahmer? Bundy? Ramierez? OJ (had he been CORECTLY convicted), and this guy...whatever his name was?

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I think U.S. carries it's death penalty in a humane way; compared to my former country, where they shower you with bullets.

Sounds sanitary to me.

In some countries, they beat you to death!

Dear Gavanshir,

You have a compelling arguement,but his appeals were turned down several times, it there was doubt, any of the appeals court could have overturned the sentence and or remanded a new trial, it has happened.

Whatever the Europeans think or believe, it is up to them, our justice system was not designed to please them but to impart justice in our Nation, and as unfortunate as this case is, justice, under the laws of the State of California and under the laws of the United States was done.

I understand that by executing him the lifes of the 4 people he was convicted of killing(and we can legally say he killed them) will not be brought back.

But the law as written at the time he committed the felony (and he was aware of)stated he could die and it was applied accordingly.

Carla Tucker, white female, the famous Texas pick-axe murderer changed in prison, she converted to Christianity. All her appeals also turned down. Then Governor Bush,a confessed Christian turned down he clemency and she was also executed.He upheld his duties and upheld the law and respected the decision of the jury.

As sad as it sounds, the lesson we gather is, If you do the crime you do the time, or pay according to the law. And as this case shows, the price can be dearly high.

If he had genuinely repented or not, who knows. But in my hometown there is a saying... no es lo mismo llamar al diablo que verlo venir.
(It is not the same to summon the devil and see him comming to you)