Safe Medical Education, a new approach

azskeptic · #1 (**permalink**) 01-07-2005, 05:37 AM

Think that we should be promoting Safe Medical Education,just like we do safe sex. The problem is defining what is safe.....however, to me it is easy to see that safe isn't an education that you must sue to get accepted. safe is a school that follows accepted practices in teaching i.e. emulates the US medical school approach if you want to come back to practice here. Safe is a school that has teachers that are well trained, not criminals or washouts of other medical schools and failed to reach licensing themselves. Safe is administrations that are helping their students with licensing problems,etc.

shockandawe · #2 (**permalink**) 01-07-2005, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by azskeptic

Think that we should be promoting Safe Medical Education,just like we do safe sex. The problem is defining what is safe.....however, to me it is easy to see that safe isn't an education that you must sue to get accepted. safe is a school that follows accepted practices in teaching i.e. emulates the US medical school approach if you want to come back to practice here. Safe is a school that has teachers that are well trained, not criminals or washouts of other medical schools and failed to reach licensing themselves. Safe is administrations that are helping their students with licensing problems,etc.

When your biochemistry professor is also a medical student training to be an MD, sitting next to you in microbiology class, such as is, in Saba, is that considered safe too?? -s&a

azskeptic · #3 (**permalink**) 01-07-2005, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by azskeptic

Think that we should be promoting Safe Medical Education,just like we do safe sex. The problem is defining what is safe.....however, to me it is easy to see that safe isn't an education that you must sue to get accepted. safe is a school that follows accepted practices in teaching i.e. emulates the US medical school approach if you want to come back to practice here. Safe is a school that has teachers that are well trained, not criminals or washouts of other medical schools and failed to reach licensing themselves. Safe is administrations that are helping their students with licensing problems,etc.

When your biochemistry professor is also a medical student training to be an MD, sitting next to you in microbiology class, such as is, in Saba, is that considered safe too?? -s&a

no, if that is happening it is wrong,pure and simple. Students deserve a professional educator; not a fellow student.

shockandawe · #4 (**permalink**) 01-07-2005, 06:11 AM

When you walk into your classroom and there are 300 + students!!!!!!!!!, as is in sgu, is that considered a good and safe way to become medically educated doctor??? Why not just watch the video tapes at home??? -s&a

shockandawe · #5 (**permalink**) 01-14-2005, 08:35 AM

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When you walk into your classroom and there are 300 + students!!!!!!!!!, as is in sgu, is that considered a good and safe way to become medically educated doctor??? Why not just watch the video tapes at home??? -s&a

Still haven't answered my question, Az??? -s&a

azskeptic · #6 (**permalink**) 01-14-2005, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by shockandawe

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Originally Posted by shockandawe

When you walk into your classroom and there are 300 + students!!!!!!!!!, as is in sgu, is that considered a good and safe way to become medically educated doctor??? Why not just watch the video tapes at home??? -s&a

Still haven't answered my question, Az??? -s&a

I've said it before..large classes aren't what I would want but if you go to some of th emajor schools in the world you'll find that also. For something like medicine though I'd personally prefer closer personal attention but that is me...some folks like to hide in crowds.

neilc · #7 (**permalink**) 01-14-2005, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by shockandawe

When you walk into your classroom and there are 300 + students!!!!!!!!!, as is in sgu, is that considered a good and safe way to become medically educated doctor??? Why not just watch the video tapes at home??? -s&a

yes....it has been demonstrated time and time again that this is safe, as evidenced by the huge amount of excellent physicians practicing in all states and specialties that have graduated from this school.

if you are really trying to imply that spartan is better than either SABA or SGU, you are insane. i will give you that each school may have some level of imperfections, but all nit-picking aside, it is the opportunity and the likelihood of graduating, passing the steps, getting a good USMLE score and residency followed by the ability to be licensed in all 50 states that make a "safe" school....

notice, the presence of a stevie award winner, radio show host, student that attended a nobel prize ceremony (it still blows my mind that you think that is a singular accomplishment, when grads from EVERYWHERE that are members of MSF can stake equal claim to that award...) are not at all relevent. however, the fact that your school has so few grads, has lost stafford loans, has been around for 20 years with zero growth, and does not have approval in all 50 states....well, this info squarely relegates it to the UNSAFE list.

wolfvgang22 · #8 (**permalink**) 01-14-2005, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by shockandawe

When your biochemistry professor is also a medical student training to be an MD, sitting next to you in microbiology class, such as is, in Saba, is that considered safe too?? -s&a

This has not been the case at Saba for some time now, prior to the CA approval of Saba.

And now, introducing the latest in medical education: (drum roll, please!)

The Medical School Condom!

shockandawe · #9 (**permalink**) 01-14-2005, 06:11 PM

This isn't about Spartan because the Az doesn't consider Spartan safe... Don't know why you guys are getting sooo defensive. I just want to know, is it really safe for you to advise young kids to go into classes with over 300+ students?? I mean, you can learn medicine from a video and get just about as much interaction. Have any of you ever been in a class of 340 students?? Gees, I'm talk'in about medical school here, not about some freshman English class. Az, other than SGU, I do not know of any single USA school that accepts over 800 people in one single calendar year, do you?? You are the consumer advocate, not me... Is there something wrong with this picture? At least, be fair... You talk about diploma mills. Better include the BIGGEST diploma mill into the picture - SGU....

Now, lets talk about good and safe educations... Wolfy, poor Wolfy, I will leave Saba out of it for now. As a personal favor to you. Cause you are a cool dude.

Back to SGU, Ross and AUC. Az, can you tell me how many of these hard working students that go to these so-called "Big 3" end up doing their rotations in England and Ireland??? Is that safe, for someone wanting to practice in the USA??

Why do you think so many of these little schools get transfers from the big 3??? Because they want USA rotations. I've had a few of my friends transfer out, so that they wouldn't be forced to go to England. What do you say Az?? Should people go to these schools, get trapped in over-sized classes and end up doing rotations in England??? Is that safe? -s&a

azskeptic · #10 (**permalink**) 01-14-2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by shockandawe

This isn't about Spartan because the Az doesn't consider Spartan safe... Don't know why you guys are getting sooo defensive. I just want to know, is it really safe for you to advise young kids to go into classes with over 300+ students?? I mean, you can learn medicine from a video and get just about as much interaction. Have any of you ever been in a class of 340 students?? Gees, I'm talk'in about medical school here, not about some freshman English class. Az, other than SGU, I do not know of any single USA school that accepts over 800 people in one single calendar year, do you?? You are the consumer advocate, not me... Is there something wrong with this picture? At least, be fair... You talk about diploma mills. Better include the BIGGEST diploma mill into the picture - SGU....

Now, lets talk about good and safe educations... Wolfy, poor Wolfy, I will leave Saba out of it for now. As a personal favor to you. Cause you are a cool dude.

Back to SGU, Ross and AUC. Az, can you tell me how many of these hard working students that go to these so-called "Big 3" end up doing their rotations in England and Ireland??? Is that safe, for someone wanting to practice in the USA??

Why do you think so many of these little schools get transfers from the big 3??? Because they want USA rotations. I've had a few of my friends transfer out, so that they wouldn't be forced to go to England. What do you say Az?? Should people go to these schools, get trapped in over-sized classes and end up doing rotations in England??? Is that safe? -s&a

You know, I don't know about the UK part of it. I'll be in London 1-25-05 to 1-31-05 and intend to look at that issue. azskeptic

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