I like to get a messenger group going which we can meet each other and share ideas, problems, concerns, worries or whatever. Please pm me if your interested. Once I get more free time, I'll contact UHSA and IUHS and give them my email address and ask for them to pass it around to thier students. We currently have something like this in my school already, but I would like to expand my list. If your a student of UHSA or IUHS and your interested in helping me form this group of medical students, please PM me.


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I thought there weren't any problems with distance learning, that it is just as good as actually being in class?

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No, most, if not all, states mandate that you attend classes in your country of charter for a certain period of time. Nobody has ever been licensed from a distance learning program. Please let me know if you can prove otherwise. G

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No, some states have mandates which require class attendance. But not all or most states have mandates which require class attendance. If this were the case, alot of US medical graduates would be in deep doo doo since many don't even show up for lectures half the time. All that absent time is bound to add up and I'm sure that the school isn't going to lie and say you were there when in fact you weren't.

In fact, most states during the licensure process verify the individuals transcript from the medical school attended to make sure the individual did not complete medical school in less time than what the state requires along with other requirements such as having the proper classes. This is not what I think, but what I've been told by the states that I've called that don't have an approved/banned/disapproved medical school list. I suggest you call your local medical board that don't follow after California laws/rules and don't have approved/banned/disapproved medical school list to verify what I'm saying here. However, it is incorrect for you to say that most, if not all states require class attendance in the country which the school is charted. Most medical boards aren't concerned about your class attendance as much as they are concerned rather or not your school meets thier requirements.

This is not the same as having attended medical in the country which the school is charted. Again, transcripts are used to verify this information that you did in fact complete course work in the country which the school is charted. This is why schools that have charters in one place and yet, have no campus at that location have trouble during licensure time. Please do not assume this would include distance learning because from what I have spoken with the medical boards on, this is not what is meant when they say having attended medical school outside the country which the school is charted. Mainly what they don't want to see is that you supposedly attending medical schools at the address of XYZ, Any Country, and yet there is no campus there.

We are not talking about affliation either. Many school have affliated campus's throughout the world. The boards see no problem with this. This is why a medical student can be a student at Temple University, yet take some of his/her coursework in Ghana University Medical school (Not that Temple has an affliation with Ghana University Medical school. I'm only using this as an example). This is only for states that have this rule. Most states do not have a rule/law which restricts a student to a campus.

In terms of licensure of individuals who have gone through basic science via distance learning, it is the speculation on this site that no student has been licensed who has gone through distance learning programs. This is also incorrect according to UHSA. There is no way to tell if a student attended via distance learning or on campus once they have become licensed and I seriously doubt that they would list this on their website. My school also has on campus study or distance learning and they don't even list how a student studies. In fact, if you called my medical school and was able to obtain a student roster list, it would not tell you who's on campus or who's doing basic science via distance learning. Also, the state will not list this information either. So, when you do a search for a UHSA, IUHS or SLUSOM graduate (As of right now, most of our graduates are in residency), you will not find a subtitle that says this physician completed basic science via distance learning.

Thus, many assume that no graduates of distance learning programs have been licensed in the US or aboard. However, I have called UHSA and spoken with them and was told by staff memebers that they do have licensed graduates who did basic science via distance learning who are now licensed in the US and aboard. When I asked for contact information, they told me that they do not give this information out. So, I left my email address to be put into contact with these physicians. I seriouly doubt that I will recieve an email because it is custom in all medical schools not to give out personal information regarding students or graduates. Thus, either the school is lying or they are telling the truth. I believe the school.

Lastly, I started this thread because there is so much negative talk on UHSA, IUHS and SLUSOM and distance learning mostly by those who do not attend a medical schools that offer this option. Every once in a while I'll see a post from an actual student from one of these schools. So, in hopes that graduates or students who happen to come to this site and feel no need to post here due to the bashing, I put out a request for students or graduates to email me. This is only fair to ask. If students from SGU, Ross or SMU can come here and talk about experiences then students who attend medical school via distance learning should be able to do the same without anyone bashing them for their choice of a medical school. Now, if this was a site specifically for Caribbean medical students and graduates, then I wouldn't be here or feel the need to reach out to those who may come here, but choose not to speak. However, the sign on the door says Caribbean medical schools, Foreign Medical Schools and International Medical schools. That says that all our welcome here. if I'm wrong, then someone please tell me and I'll leave.

Nevertheless, regardless of what you think of me or the school I attend, regardless if California or 13 other states will never license me, I'm medical student just as you are or will be. I study the same subject that you study and I'll have to take the same USMLE as you will. My school has to be ECFMG certifed and IMED/WHO listed just as your school has to be if your an foreign medical school student. I don't care if I can't be licensed in all 50 states. I don't care if there is only 1 state that I can be licensed in. That's not what important for me. All that matters to me, is becoming a licensed physician and if that means living in another country, then so be it. If the only residency program I can get into is family medicine, then so be it. That's exactly what I like to work in. All I ask from everyone is don't bash me for my choice even if you disagree with it. I should be able to come here and read your experience and post my experience without someone in the background always bringing up licensure issues. I don't think that's going beyond the means of some people on this website. Now if that can't be done, then perhaps I'm in the wrong place and I need to find another site where medical student can talk about being a medical student without being bashed because someone disagree's with the way I'm learning medicine.

Thank you,

-Dr.2B

You mean students from UHSA might not get licensed in the U.S., and might not have a good paying job to pay back all those loans?
Too risky for my blood!
Good luck!

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State boards will look at your school records but now they are looking at your passports and the visa you have, in and out records stamped on your passport. If you don't have that, you are a distance learning student and will not get licensed in many if not all states. When I spoke at the Administrators in medicine meeting I was told about this by state directors.

why go to St. Luke/IUHS/UHSA/Oceania/Medical College of London/St. Lucia and risk wasting your time? It is obvious to all that they are flimsy excuses for schools except for a few people here. Does it mean you shouldn't be in medical school if that is the only places you can get in? Probably so.

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Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, South Dakota, Kansas, Illinois, Michigan, Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Washington DC, Maryland, PA, Connecticut, and Rhode Island, I could go on with states that don't require passports, visa or records of stamps to verify class attendance. Ask these states to send this new law/rule that you speak of AZ in writting and post it online that we flimsy medical students may see first hand.

Just for name sake, those flimsy excuses for schools as you call it, at least at St. Luke, students are doing exceptionally well on national exams, are doing clinical rotation at good teaching hospitals in the UK, USA and across the globe and entering residency spots across the globe. How does that make you feel Az? Is your blood just boiling over the fact that a flimsy school can produce students with the intelligence to make such major accomplishments on US soil? Do you feel the urgent need to stop these flimsy schools before it to late and the world become's doomed due to physicians who graduated from flimsy medical schools?

Tell us what puts you in the position to determine who's education is flimsy? What everyone knows on this site is that distance learning is not accepted in everystate. Indeed, that is not my argument here. However, you sir, have the guts, no not guts, but the Ego to call someone's education flimsy when in fact your education is not any more advanced than a Social worker working at the local county welfare office. Pardon my manners, I forgot that you were a parol officers at one point, that must surely qualify you to judge another person's education. Besides, with the education you recieved, it allowed you to became an Egg man and then a child custody advacate. That alone makes you and expert on medical education. Please forgive my flimsy way of thought, at all, I do attend a flimsy medical school.

Tell me Az, is business that bad for you that you have to make it you point to discredit someone education when you don't even have the equivalent to what they have or are working towards. Make no mistake about it Az, as I said to Nelic, I'll make it clear to you, I will make it in the end dispite your egocentristic behavior. You had better start working harder, because I'm not the one to give up on making my dreams come true. When one door is closed for me, you can bet your last dollar, I'll look for another door that is left opened. Make sure you tell the boards that at your next meeting.


Dr.2B

Well, that wasn't very nice!
Somebody points out what they think are problems with distance learning and they get a personal attack in return? Why take it so personally?
Are all UHSA students so sensitive?

Anyway, I hope you do achieve your goals and do well and help lots of people if you can.
Good luck!

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And this is not an indirect insult? Sorry wolfvgang, this became personal a long time ago and it appears that site admin still allow such behavior to go on. Now you say that I'm resorting to personal insults? I think you should go back and read alot of what AZ is talking about.

I agree that it's ok to disagree. I agree that people have a right to feel the way they do. I agree that people should be able to voice what they feel. However, I'm not going to let someone insult me and try justify it as being ok since I attend a medical school that they don't like.

It's obvious how many of you feel towards distance learning. You have all made your point clear. I have also asked that as medical student can we move beyond looking at what school someone attends and focus more at the issue that medical students go through. However, this is impossible for some. Some people have to constantly try to make a difficult situation look impossible.

So, I'll say it again, I don't care how many states say that they don't accept distance learning. If all 40 states say NO, then that's fine with me since that still leaves me 10 states and a slew of other countries that I can go and practice medicine. To some, this is a defeat. To me, this is a victory. As long as there is at least 1 state that has no such laws/rules, then my education is worthwhile to me. I hope everyone understand that now. I hope that we can get beyond this "Yeah but such and such states says this, there your education is worthless" type behavior. Think for a moment that Ross University admission rate has drop because Texas is making it difficult for them to become licensed in that State? I don't think so. People know that Texas law does not effect the quality of education one can recieve from Ross despite what Texas law says. That's my point. Once people understand this point, then I think we can all get along on this site. Or, perhaps it just time for me to move on because I have better ways of meeting and socializing with medical students who don't give a rats *** what school you go to.

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