no need to resort to sarcasm...i am merely pointing out an important flaw in your logic. if harvard, brown or anywhere state medical college decide to go online, and can retain lcme approval, they are ok. if st. elsewhere carib goes online, they are in an entirely different boat.

i for one, am not really bothered by online med education. i am a bit bothered by carib schools that try it, because i am not convinced that they have the facilities in place to make it work. it has not been worked out at a legit school, so how can some poorly financed, relatively new carib school claim to have the perfect method of medical education? likely, schools will turn to the internet more and more to compliment, and possibley someday eliminate the more traditional lecture based format. but, for a carib school to open its doors and say hey, here is the future we are the innovators of the NEW MEDICAL EDUCATION...well, lets just say i am skeptical.

anyhow, i do admire your optimism. i would really encourage others to think it through very carefully before following your lead. but, you seem aware of the pitfalls, but convinced that they will not get in your way. good for you, and i hope it works out. but, please, don't pretend to be surprised and offended that people question your education. the carib is not known as a hotbed of medical developments, be they clinical or educational. it IS known as a region full of for profit med schools, some of which are good, some of which are crap....and, to think that the world is going to embrace, or even respect this unproven internet education is a bit ridiculous. you have your reasons, but the odds are firmly against you. hopefully it works out, likely you can work somewhere, but please retain your logic and realize that many, if not most, people are going to be very hesitent to accept this type of education as legit until it is better developed by leaders in the field. until then, your school and your medical education will likely be questioned and percieved as lacking, regardless of what you think about it.

Nelic,

First let me say that if you think that I come here for acceptance, your sadly mistaken. I have plenty of acceptance in reality. I encounter more disagreement on SDN and Valumd then I do on any other medical student/physicians websites.

Second, I do not attend a carribean medical school. SLUSOM is not even in the same category as a carribean medical school. Though it is a new medical school. It's a medical school in full support and encouragement of the Ministy of Health and the Liberian/Ghana government. But that's something many of the poster on this site wouldn't know. I've been ask not to go into detail about SLUSOM and how it was established or the supports behind SLUSOM. Not that anyone on this site would care, but it matters to us students and the citizen's of West Africa.

Third, you say that distance learning in medical education is unproven which you're sadly mistaken also. SLUSOM is making heads turn in the US and in other countries as our student progress in thier education. I have made reference to USMLE scores and there is others was again which I've been ask not to discuss on these sites.

Forth, you make mention of ligitamcy of medical schools and it's financial statments. All I will say to this is that I don't where your information is coming from, because it sure isn't in reference to SLUSOM. I agree that a medical started behind the mastermind of some person only interested in making money is questionable. You have to wonder the motives of such people. One of the most important details that I looked into a medical school before attending was the history of the school. Not just would I get licensed in the US. I wanted to know who started the medical school, what are their future plans in terms of medical education, what accomplishments have they made in terms of medical education, are they in the process of doing medical research and how that effect civilization, I wanted to know the cause behind the medical school, were they supported by the government of the country which the medical school is located, what hospital affliation is there with the medical school, how does the hospitals affliated with the medical school view students, are graduates allowed to become licensed in the country which they studied, the culture behind the medical school (this was very important to me-being an african-american citizen), could I do my clinicals in that country, could I even do my residency in that country and how does the medical education compare with US/UK medical education. Then I made a list of schools which met the requirements which I wanted in a medical school. Did I mention that US licensure was not the only requirement that I looked into a medical school? That pretty much eliminated the carribean medical schools. It also eliminated much of the foriegn medical schools I had on my list. The only US medical schools on my list were Meharry and Howard university. To say the least, I never got around to applying to these medical schools. Because when I applied to St. Luke University in Liberia, I was accepted.

Now, when you make mention of ligitamcy of a medical school, you have your own rules. I had mine and it wasn't based soley on how long the medical school been in operation and how many US graduates they had Licensed in the US. If that's what I was after, then I should have applied to a US medical school or a DO program. Another point worth mentioning, I decided that I didn't want to attend a foriegn medical school where more than 50% of the population in that school was US citizens. To me, and this is how I felt so please don't take offense, a foriegn medical school that has more than 50% of it's student body from another country, is not supported by that countries government, graduates cannot be licensed in that country nor can they do clinicals or residency and is listed as foriegn medical school said nothing more to me than a business entity interested in money and the zeal of US citizen who would do anything to get into medical school rather than a full ligit medical school. Thus, when you make claims to ligitamcy of a medical school, I don't know what you consider ligit. But, my definition of a ligit medical school goes far beyond how many licensed graduates they have in the US or rather the US thinks it's a ligit medical school.

Lastly, you consider my words to be of error in terms of US licensure laws. You mention that the US can allow a student from LCME to do distance learning while this is not acceptable to a non LCME medical student. This is false. Your correct in saying that the boards accept LCME medical school graduates over a non LCME medical school graduates. However, the boards cannot discriminate on medical curriculum which is standard to that of a LCME medical school. It has already been proven in the court of US law. Just take a look at the Spartan graduate whom the board tried to deny licensure based on the fact the medical board ruled that Spartan does not have standard medical education vs. that of an LCME medical school. If an LCME medical school has distance learning and it is the same curriculum from a foreign medical school, denial of a license of the foreign medical graduate will not hold up in the court of law. The boards would have to provide evidence that the foreign medical graduates education was less than that of an medical graduate from a LCME medical school. If you don't want to take my word for it, contact a US lawyer that specializes in medical licensure law and talk with him/her. I'm not saying that the board doesn't have a right to deny licensure because they do. However, when it comes to the Law, there is no discrimination in the US. With the right lawyer, this type of case could be won in the court of law. Now if you think that my thinking is in error, then I guess that just what you think.

-Dr.2B

Well, "I guess that just what I think"......who gives a flying flatus.
......that's funny because you sure had a lot of blah blah blah to say about SLUSOM.
I guess SLUSOM will forever remain one big mystery.
Lighten up....you'll live longer. :P

Good luck and I wish you well.....honestly!

Let me just say that the people on valuemd that you are so quick to say are bashing you...... can be very helpful, supportive, and honest most of the time.

It's scary when people will do whatever it takes to get what they want at any cost. Becoming a doctor should not be one of those things. No one should ever give up so easy, but that doesn't mean going to back alley med schools are us either. Don't ever be naive enough to think that all med schools are created equal....they are not. Having the words MD behind you're name "does not a physician make". And yes, lousy physicians can come from great medical schools too.....just be careful and don't get stars in your eyes.

Ever heard of the saying "it's not me, it's everyone else......"

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if med school doesn't pan out, I can always go back to my day job.....

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Justdoit,

Glad to know how you feel. I agree with you 100%. By the way, where are these back alley med school that you speak of? All the back alley's I've been through, I didn't see any sign for a medical school entrance. Although, it would be nice to have one since then I wouldn't have to walk around to the front of the building to gain entrance. Now that would be cool execept for those who enter the front after parking in the back alley only to realize that there was a back entrance. Yeah I guess to those people that could be very upsetting.

And, of course I've heard the saying it's not me, it's everyone else....I hear that everytime someone farts and looks around as if to say, it's not me, it someone else. As if the foulabe aroma isn't coming from one direction. Go figure.

-Dr.2B

soon2bms=Dr.2b?

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Hey wolfvgang....we already know you have a sense of humor. Cute picture!! Let's hope you finish with med-school.

Az,
I think that soon2bms and Dr.2b are one in the same.....thanks for the PM, we're definitely on the same page!

A little something for all you in the medical know.....it's ironic that soon2bms actually stands for "soon 2 bowel movements..... ".
I think I'd stick with Dr.2b.

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Anyone from US who is considering OUM MUST contact state boards themselves either via email or phone and get first-hand information from the state boards themselves regarding online component in medical education and whether they will give license to someone whose MD program included online basic science curriculum. OUM for some reason is unable to provide information regarding states which would give license to OUM grads.

It is important to be aware that being able to take USMLE exams and then doing residency in the US does NOT mean you will get licensed to practice medicine in the states!! Everyone needs to understand this clearly before considering OUM. It appears to be a great curriculum and PBL sounds very good for self-motivated people. But IMO anyone who wants to practice medicine in US MUST contact all state boards themselves and confirm whether they will be able to practice medicine after residency if their MD is from OUM that has online basic science curriculum. Good luck and please post your responses from state boards so that it will be useful to others.

If you dont already know, state of California is VERY opposed to OUM or any other MD program with any online component so OUM grads will never be able to get licensed in CA. And if CA does not approve then there are other states that simply follow CA rules and so you wont be able to get licensed in those states either. These include OR, NM, GA,WA, etc

Make sure you ask the states specifically about online component and licensing rules of the state in regards to online component because many states may simply say that they will approve as long as its ECFMG certified BUT when you actually apply, they might object because there is online component in your MD degree. So everyone should contact individual states themselves and be VERY CLEAR on ALL the DETAILS and discuss EVERYTHING about the OUM curriculum in detail with the medical board.

Dude you are flooding, you have posted the exact same thing in 3 different threads Were you banned and just re-opened a new account?

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