My speech to the Texas Board of Medical Examiners today, Aus

[azskeptic]

Originally Posted by wcb22

i agree with skipper,

you are pointing out specifically great schools (like SABA, St. Matthews), who don't require MCAT. last i checked, some of these "great" indian, pakistani, mexican, etc, med schools don't require MCAT. it's not a pre-req for a good med school.

maybe it's just me, but i get the feeling of prejudice just against american students going abroad. maybe we weren't academically equivalent to some of these US students, but we make up for it in compassion. and we make up for it in very hard work in medical school. many of us had a rough freshman year in undergrad college, and did well the other 3 years. but not well enough for a US M.D. THERE IS NOT A LOT OF GIVE FOR ERROR IN GETTING INTO A US SCHOOL. that doesn't mean we are not qualified to be physicians.

i wouldn't see your claims as prejudiced if you pointed out more the educational deficiencies THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, INCLUDING THE US. Even the LCME has put some US schools in check. There are deficiencies in India. There are deficiencies in Europe. I appreciate a lot of your postings, but sometimes i think you get carried away.

When D.O. schools started up, I'm sure there were some azskeptic's.
But where are they now? They are quiet.

DO schools are fairly old already. Deficiencies indeed need to be fixed.

But schools in the Carib. that are specifically preparing students for the US should be setup the same way i.e. MCATS, etc. The Pakistan/Indian/Mexican schools are preparing students for their system,not ours but grads migrate.

I am calling for improving the system, not banning grads in total. But let's be honest....some of these schools would admit anyone who could write the check?

dean

[Skipper]

Originally Posted by wcb22

i agree with skipper,

you are pointing out specifically great schools (like SABA, St. Matthews), who don't require MCAT. last i checked, some of these "great" indian, pakistani, mexican, etc, med schools don't require MCAT. it's not a pre-req for a good med school.

maybe it's just me, but i get the feeling of prejudice just against american students going abroad. maybe we weren't academically equivalent to some of these US students, but we make up for it in compassion. and we make up for it in very hard work in medical school. many of us had a rough freshman year in undergrad college, and did well the other 3 years. but not well enough for a US M.D. THERE IS NOT A LOT OF GIVE FOR ERROR IN GETTING INTO A US SCHOOL. that doesn't mean we are not qualified to be physicians.

i wouldn't see your claims as prejudiced if you pointed out more the educational deficiencies THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, INCLUDING THE US. Even the LCME has put some US schools in check. There are deficiencies in India. There are deficiencies in Europe. I appreciate a lot of your postings, but sometimes i think you get carried away.

When D.O. schools started up, I'm sure there were some azskeptic's.
But where are they now? They are quiet.

i agree. i believe a well trained american img grad (who attended a good offshore school) shouldnt have a more difficult time getting licensed then the thousands of indian, mexican, and other 3rd world countries fmg doctors that work in american......


why make it hard on US citizens img, while making it easy for people on the other side of the boarder to work here......

my two cents

skipper,

[azskeptic]

skipper said:

i agree. i believe a well trained american img grad (who attended a good offshore school) shouldnt have a more difficult time getting licensed then the thousands of indian, mexican, and other 3rd world countries fmg doctors that work in american......


why make it hard on US citizens img, while making it easy for people on the other side of the boarder to work here......

my two cents

Dean says: I agree with you..a well trained person from a good offshore school should get licensed quickly. But remember that Indian/mexican and other 3rd world schools have long histories of sending grads to the US and their schools are better known already. Thus, state boards must evaluate the Carib schools to figure out which ones are top notch and which ones aren't......

Dean

[Skipper]

Originally Posted by azskeptic

skipper said:

i agree. i believe a well trained american img grad (who attended a good offshore school) shouldnt have a more difficult time getting licensed then the thousands of indian, mexican, and other 3rd world countries fmg doctors that work in american......


why make it hard on US citizens img, while making it easy for people on the other side of the boarder to work here......

my two cents

Dean says: I agree with you..a well trained person from a good offshore school should get licensed quickly. But remember that Indian/mexican and other 3rd world schools have long histories of sending grads to the US and their schools are better known already. Thus, state boards must evaluate the Carib schools to figure out which ones are top notch and which ones aren't......

Dean

that is fine that they have been sending grads for years....the question is how great are their schools.....corruption in india is everywhere.....you dont think there are "pop up over the night med schools" there.....why should it be easy on them because they have a history.....i can beat that the more reputable offshore schools are probably better than alot of med schools in 3 rd world countries, india and mexico....

skipper,

[azskeptic]

Originally Posted by AssyrianSkipper

that is fine that they have been sending grads for years....the question is how great are their schools.....corruption in india is everywhere.....you dont think there are "pop up over the night med schools" there.....why should it be easy on them because they have a history.....i can beat that the more reputable offshore schools are probably better than alot of med schools in 3 rd world countries, india and mexico....

skipper,

new 'private' India schools won't happen....know why? because the govt. wouldn't allow it easily.....their licensing division,with all its imperfections, is trying to police schools.....forget where I read an article recently but they were all over an attempt at forming a new school. az skeptic

[wolfvgang22]

Thanks for posting your speech. I don't agree with the MCAT thing, or the "license more docs from Mexico" idea, but I want to thank you for the overall well-balanced and fair speech you made to the currently fearful and xenophobic Texas State Medical Board.
God bless!