wolf,

you are scaring me. you are sounding more conservative with every post.

ahhh..... welcome to the party

even if you are a moderate, i do think that you are on the right at the least.



as for the liberal that more often than not revert to name calling, what can i say. it just shows that they ran out of arguments and dont have any facts to back themselves up. as to if they do have facts but still revert to name calling, it just shows that they may well be anencephalic. jon...... you dont mind if i borrow that term.... do you? 8)

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I've often considered myself a moderate democrat like Bill Clinton.
***runs away to avoid the thrown beer bottles***

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[quote="wolfvgang22

For the record, I'm not in favor of "gay rights" or gay marriage or the gay lifestyle at all. I think their lifestyle is wrong and immoral, but it's equally wrong for me to think murderous thoughts about them, and wish them to burn in hell. You know, if one needed my medical help, I might even treat them and hope for a good outcome.
I guess I 'm too nice.[/quote]


Ah, until you meet a gay person face to face. We have a first semester gay person who is a phenom in intelligence and integrity here and I don't think of his orientation when I talk to him. I think he will make an awesome doctor, even if he's a pitcher or a catcher.

In fact I know more men who would rather stick it up a woman's poopshoot than the normal spot and yet swear up and down that they are not gay. They'll put on women's underwear and swear they are not gay. They will be as flaming in personality as one but swear they are not a homo. They also by the by hate gay people with a passion. I really dislike THOSE people. Now I don't like any of that girl-girl stuff and never wanted to, but I can respect people are different than me and still treat them as any human being that I would know, regardless of what color, religion, or orientation they are. Then again, my generations are used to being pesecuted and harassed/threatened/treated poorly/"need to be turned to JESUS" by others long enough to know better than to try to treat any other group poorly.

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these signs are from various " Peace " marches.
You just don't see conservatives behaving like this. We wave flags and tie yellow ribbons on trees.
anyway, enjoy the true lovers of peace and tolerance
go to protestwarrior.com or brainterminal.com to watch them in action












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and here we have a bunch of silly conservatives at a support the troops rally. what are these rednecks thinking? I mean it's all about Haliburton

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[quote=JewishDr'sWife][quote="wolfvgang22
Ah, until you meet a gay person face to face. We have a first semester gay person who is a phenom in intelligence and integrity here and I don't think of his orientation when I talk to him. I think he will make an awesome doctor, even if he's a pitcher or a catcher.

In fact I know more men who would rather stick it up a woman's poopshoot than the normal spot and yet swear up and down that they are not gay. They'll put on women's underwear and swear they are not gay. They will be as flaming in personality as one but swear they are not a homo. They also by the by hate gay people with a passion. I really dislike THOSE people. Now I don't like any of that girl-girl stuff and never wanted to, but I can respect people are different than me and still treat them as any human being that I would know, regardless of what color, religion, or orientation they are. Then again, my generations are used to being pesecuted and harassed/threatened/treated poorly/"need to be turned to JESUS" by others long enough to know better than to try to treat any other group poorly.[/quote]

Love your Thomas Jefferson quote.

I assume your message was directed at me, since you quoted me.

I do know some gay men. I've even spoken to some! :P
But seriously, you might be interested to know that not all gay men are necessarily for the "gay rights" movement, which is more about getting the world to accept their belief that it is morally okay to be gay than it is about getting "equal rights", in my humble opinion.

A friend of mine is a very well respected gay physician. (To say more about him could easily be personally identifying.) I don't think of his sexual orientation very much when I talk to him. Love the guy. Think he's wonderful, admire him greatly. Repulsed by his choice of sexual lifestyle.
I think it's immoral. Not illegal, but immoral.

Oh yeah, I think he already knows Jesus, probably better than I do, anyway. What can I say, he's human, he has a fault. But I still don't want my kids believing that practicing homosexuality is okay or acceptable, because it's not, according to our scriptures.

What an imperfect world we live in.

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Hey, FLK! I resent the fact that you imply that only "conservatives" support our troops. My brother is serving in Iraq. I support our troops. Pray for 'em every day. I even lament the fact I'm not able to be there.

Just because I disagree with the Republican party on many issues doesn't make me unpatriotic, any more than it was unpatriotic in Nam to disagree with Nixon's policies.

I think the pre-emption policy, and getting involved in this war was wrong. I think things over there are worse now than they were before the U.S. invaded. But crying about that now is like crying over spilt milk.

Now that the U.S. has made this mess in Iraq, we need to clean it up, no matter what it takes....even if it means occupying the region for 50 years.
Getting lit up is not doing that.

It makes me sick to think that my bro and the rest of the military are having to play nicey-nice over in Iraq with people who don't want them there. They should be allowed to either kick ***, conquer and win this war fiercely or come home. I had hoped we learned our lesson with half-*** wars.

I don't see it getting done by Bush. I see things getting worse, both in Iraq and here in my hometown. I want to see Bush get let go, because if he can't do the job right, he shouldn't be doing it at all. I think Americans should send that message to the White House and Capital Hill.
At least, I plan to.

Ok, rant off. :P

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I never said that only conservatives support the troops.
I know that there are lots of Americans from every political ideology serving

I am merely commenting on the signs you see at various rallys and marches, and the types of people found at either

the dirtballs at the average peace march are shown. ( who I am guessing lean to the left )
the crowds at the support the troops rally are shown ( who I am guessing support the president )

that's all. just photos and symbolism from the vocal minority of each party


If I was a lib, I would be furious at Hollywood activists and the far left fringe like ANSEWER for giving my side side a bad rap on this, but perception is reality these days

As a conservative, I was and am just as furious to groups like Aryan Nation and Michigan Militia, which cause all conservatives to be thought of as racists and gun nuts. It works both ways
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I think the vast majority of the armed services support President Bush

i dont think FLK went it that wasy wolf. what he showed was that the vast majority of the vocal democrats are just straight out of looney tunes. they are sickos and wackos. wolf, not offense and i do respect your opinion because it contains substance. pleace wolf, i just want you to see what some of these democratic protestors are saying. they are supposidely on YOUR side. go to www.protestwarrior.com check out the home video taken by the protestors. download it. these people are just straight out sick. i saw more palestinian flags then ameican flags. the only american flags i saw were burning. i saw and heard threats made against our president. secondly, what a way to get the communists out. check out all the marxist literature they are passing out. not one person but many set up booths. and yes, i did see skinheads aka nazis at other democratic protests. i dont know why the protestors took them in though because i still saw the bush to hitler comparison there.

in short, wolf, you belong to the bill clinton democratic party. the problem with your party now is that every thing on this planet, scum and all, joined your party just to get rid of bush. they are giving a very bad name for your party. the only problem is that the democratic leadership are taking them in with open arms. it would be nice for a change if somebody in your party stood up and said that some of these people need to go and are not welcome here.

just my opinion and observation

secondly, stay tuned for world war 3 tommorrow. bush and kerry having rallies at the same time 3 blocks away from eachother in iowa.

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You might want to read section 12 of the 9-11 report. It has 66 pages of the iraqi connection. One bit of info is how as late as 1999 Saddam offered Osama safe haven in Iraq. According to numerous individuals including the Iraqi Colonel that was the commander at Salman Pak; there was a 727 fuselage on the ground that was used to "train groups of 4 or 5 people to hi-jack airplanes with ordinary objects". According to Spanish intell, Yousef Galan Al Quaidas finance chief went to the Iraqi embassy in Madrid prior to 9-11. According to Czech intel. Mohammad Atta met with an Iraqi agent in Prague prior to 9-11. Terrorists Abu Abbas and Abu Nidal were given safe haven in Iraq. Iraq did in fact try to acquire yellow cake uranium in Niger (Joe Wilson Lied). Saddam would give 25,000 to the families of suicide bombers...etc...etc...66 pages!!!
You can remain with your head in the sand but I refuse to do so.
Lets have Kerry/Edwards turn our national security over to France and the UNamerican. Good Idea. I like how America is waking up. Bush got a bounce from the Dems convention LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, pal, I never said that I thought Iraq had no 9/11 connection. I said I disagreed with the pre-emption policy..

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