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    No real difference seen in quality of care from foreign-trained docs

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    No real difference seen in quality of care from foreign-trained docs
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    Posted: August 3, 2010 - 12:01 am ET

    About one-quarter of all physicians practicing in the U.S. graduated from an international medical school, and a study in Health Affairs suggests that patients receive the same quality of care whether their doctors were trained here or abroad—but further analysis shows better outcomes if the foreign-trained doctor was not a U.S. citizen at the time they entered medical school.
    J N , president and CEO of the Foundation for Advancement of International Medical Education and Research in Philadelphia, and colleagues examined the records for 244,153 hospitalizations of patients with congestive heart failure or acute heart attack at 184 Pennsylvania hospitals. These patients were seen by 6,113 cardiologists, family physicians and internists between Jan. 1, 2003, and Dec. 31, 2006, with 4,616 (75.5%) of those doctors trained in U.S. schools and the other 1,497 trained at 391 medical school in 79 countries. Of the foreign trained physicians, 1,123 (75%) were not U.S. citizens when they entered medical school, the report said, while 374 were U.S. citizens studying abroad.
    The percentage of in-hospital deaths for congestive heart failure was 3.4% for domestically trained doctors and 3.1% for internationally trained physicians. For foreign-trained doctors who were not U.S. citizens during medical school, the rate death was 3%; for U.S. citizens who trained abroad, it was 3.5% For heart attack patients, the in-hospital death rate was 13.1% domestically trained doctors, and 12.7% for those trained abroad. For non-U.S. citizens trained abroad the rate was 12.2%; for U.S. citizens trained at foreign schools, it was 14.4%.
    In noting the statistics for U.S. citizens trained at foreign medical schools, the study concluded that it “suggests the importance of further research to clarify whether their performance is a result of their medical education experiences or their ability.”
    “Despite a rigorous U.S. certification process for international graduates, the quality of care provided by doctors educated abroad has been an ongoing concern,” N said in a news release. “It is reassuring to know that patients of these doctors receive the same quality of care that they would receive from a physician trained in the United States. … These findings bring attention to foreign-trained doctors and the valuable role they have played in responding to the nation's physician shortage.”
    (For more discussion of the role foreign-trained doctors have in overcoming the U.S. primary care shortage, please see the July 26 Modern Healthcare article “Foreign Concepts” and listen to the podcast interview with G A of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.)
    The data used in the study were collected from the Pennsylvania Health Care Cost Containment Council and taken from all hospitals in the state except for Veterans Affairs institutions, skilled-nursing facilities and state psychiatric hospitals. Data was limited to cases involving attending physicians who graduated after 1958, and researchers said heart attack and congestive heart failure patients were chosen because those are common conditions and often used as markers of quality of care. Also, the study said “the preponderance of care” for these conditions is provided by cardiologists, family physicians and internists, and these specialties account for 44% of all international medical graduates in active practice
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    It's pretty ridiculous after USMLE steps, extended residency requirements, and board certification that people still question the education of an IMG.

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    NY version of the article

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    You at least have a good chance of dying if you have heart failure around a doctor?

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    Shouldn't the title of the article be: "Foreign-Born Doctors Give Better Care Than US Med School Graduates"?
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    this is the line that i don't like:

    "The authors say their findings offer a cautionary note: if schools in the United States lower their standards to fill new spots and begin admitting the kind of American applicants who have been going overseas to study, they may start turning out less competent doctors."

    admission into medical school today is COMPLETELY different than getting admission into medical school say 15 years ago. better students are being forced to offshore schools due to lack of spots due to many factors including more competition etc. the difference in quality of care is definitely going to shrink as the schools have become better and the students have become more intelligent.
    but remember that, even when those who move you be kings or men of power, your soul is in your keeping alone. When you stand before God you cannot say "but I was told by others to do thus" or that "virtue was not convenient at the time." This will not suffice. Remember that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tipton View Post
    Shouldn't the title of the article be: "Foreign-Born Doctors Give Better Care Than US Med School Graduates"?
    That would sum it up.
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    Sad, when the NYT considers the difference between 5.0 and 5.5 to be equal (foreign-born vs. U.S. grad), but thinks 5.8 vs 5.5 (foreign-trained vs. U.S. grad) shows a lack of competence.

    They sure know how to work the numbers in their favor.
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