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Old 07-18-2008, 12:39 PM
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Selective hearing is a funny thing. People hear what they want to hear, if they don't want to hear it they act as if it is not being said to claim ignorance . You are not going to learn about candidates from the 15 second soundbite news coverage on the national news. News is no longer news ,it's entertainment and has to be profitable and they cater to the American public which has a 15 second attenbtion span. You aren;t going to learn detailed policy positions the way news is presented nowadays. Try a real newspaper, actaully you need multiple papers b/c they all spin to their bias on how they present a candidate or try their websites. As a medical student self education should be an inherent quality.

But by your last sentence you really have already made up your mind, making the selective hearing point even more relevant. The thinly veiled attack was easily deciphered.
TBH I don't talk about 15 second soundbytes, I was refering specifically to his 30-45 minute "press confrence" (aka speech) about the horrors of our current foreign policy plans. He critiqued it well, however, it was all fluff and he had an opportunity to offer his own view but did not.

Yes, I'm critical of him moreso than McCain, but I know what McCain is thinking and what his policies are, even if he doesn't give off the white fuzzies so we all feel good about ourselves. I'm still waiting to hear what he stands for and what his policies will be -- Again, on a similar tangent, we know what Clinton's policies were from the beginning and during her run against Obama, and even then he never said what he wanted to do.

And as far as your subtle putdown about self education, I do plenty of that as a resident. So please don't use personal attacks anymore.
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Old 07-18-2008, 01:00 PM
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TBH I don't talk about 15 second soundbytes, I was refering specifically to his 30-45 minute "press confrence" (aka speech) about the horrors of our current foreign policy plans. He critiqued it well, however, it was all fluff and he had an opportunity to offer his own view but did not.

Yes, I'm critical of him moreso than McCain, but I know what McCain is thinking and what his policies are, even if he doesn't give off the white fuzzies so we all feel good about ourselves. I'm still waiting to hear what he stands for and what his policies will be -- Again, on a similar tangent, we know what Clinton's policies were from the beginning and during her run against Obama, and even then he never said what he wanted to do.

And as far as your subtle putdown about self education, I do plenty of that as a resident. So please don't use personal attacks anymore.
Like I said selective hearing and you prove it by your own comments. The information is available, you just have already made up your mind. The policies are easily found if you read the trasncripts of the speeches. However, you have willingly fallen into the notion that they don't exist. It's a funny thing how the rightwing have mastered the tactic if you say something long enough people will believe it, despite the obvious facts. It worked for them saying Sadam was involved in 9/11, 70% americans believed it, 40% still believe it though it has been unequivocally disproven by out intelligence agencies years ago. Now they have the montra on Obama, which you parrot. See they have figured out most americans won't take the time or effort to find the information or even question it's validity.

See there's that thing called an internet with all his policy speeches and transcripts of them available. For those that did alittle research you would find Obama's website, which has a list of issues(many of which McCain doesn't even mentions such as poverty). On every issue Obama has a 2-3 pg synposis, then at the botttom a link to a transcript of his speech on that topic and then a link to his actual plan laid out(these plans are detailed such as for the healthcare 16 pg plan). McCain doesn't do that on his website having links to policy speeches or actual detailed plans. His plans are the same as Bush's, so you do already know the plan. I do love McCain's health care policy, cover Viagra but don't cover birth control pills...even his own surrogate caught him on that brilliance. McCain admits economics isn't his strong point so he gets Graham as his chief economic advisor and then he says the problems in the economy are mental as McCain tours MI and OH. That's a plan..it's all in your head, so I'm going to continue the same policies that have tripled the national debt, caused a 40% devaluation of the dollar, and the greatest wealth redistribution since the great deperession..

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Old 07-18-2008, 10:38 PM
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people believe what they want to believe
I think OTF demonstrates that beautifully.
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So by your own admission that makes him an excellent candidate for VP under an Obama ticket. Folks, Don't fool yourselves with McCain, he is as much as a republican as Clinton is, you know what I mean?




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How much do you know about Powell?

He could never run as a Republican as he holds positions directly opposed to the base. For example on abortion rights (pro choice)and not abstinence only programs, pro-affirmative action, pro sensible gun control, and he defers on many other social issues.

He also was opposed to invading Iraq and said he tried to convince Bush not to do it. He was also quoted in England as saying , the Neocons within the Bush administration as "f**ing crazies". He's was also against the military tribunals Bush/Mccain want and believes the alterations and the abandonment of the Geneva Conventions in this regard. Thus if you utilize the Geneva Conventions you can't torture, which McCain and Bush are against the utilizing the conventions. They also are against utilizing the Army field manual in this case which also prevents torture. Powell may have served in the Bush admin but he had very different views and is why he left.
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So by your own admission that makes him an excellent candidate for VP under an Obama ticket. Folks, Don't fool yourselves with McCain, he is as much as a republican as Clinton is, you know what I mean?

Powell is not a politician by nature IMO. I don't think he wants to be one as most lifelong military people aren;t. They are often a bit to frank in their opinions which is not something that serves a politican well. However based on Powell's views and reports that Obama has met with Powell several times this year ,there is wide held belief Powell may endorse Obama. He is definitely not in the McCain camp on the war, Powell was against it from the start and is not fond of the Neocons and rightwing base that McCain has tried to appease.
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i think edwards would be a great pick
ummm, I say no!
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TBH I don't talk about 15 second soundbytes, I was refering specifically to his 30-45 minute "press confrence" (aka speech) about the horrors of our current foreign policy plans. He critiqued it well, however, it was all fluff and he had an opportunity to offer his own view but did not.

Yes, I'm critical of him moreso than McCain, but I know what McCain is thinking and what his policies are, even if he doesn't give off the white fuzzies so we all feel good about ourselves. I'm still waiting to hear what he stands for and what his policies will be -- Again, on a similar tangent, we know what Clinton's policies were from the beginning and during her run against Obama, and even then he never said what he wanted to do.

And as far as your subtle putdown about self education, I do plenty of that as a resident. So please don't use personal attacks anymore.

Dr S,

McCain has no policies. His policies are to continue what GB has implemented. For example, threaten every country with war who Washington does not agree with. War should ALWAYS be a last resort. People are going to start mention experience. Well, GB had experience governing Texas. He also flooded his administration with people with experience with their 60's ideas and now we are paying $4 gal for gas.
I recently got back from Iraq and the iraqi people who I met and dealth with don't want us in their country for the next hundred years as McCain proposes. There will NEVER be victory in Iraq b/c we as soldiers don't know the enemy we are fighting.
When McCain and his friends visits Iraq. He is not visiting areas where tensions are high. In fact, he visits low keyed areas and there is a 20-30 fold increase in security. Guess what John? You will not see any violence in those areas.
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Powell is not a politician by nature IMO. I don't think he wants to be one as most lifelong military people aren;t. They are often a bit to frank in their opinions which is not something that serves a politican well. However based on Powell's views and reports that Obama has met with Powell several times this year ,there is wide held belief Powell may endorse Obama. He is definitely not in the McCain camp on the war, Powell was against it from the start and is not fond of the Neocons and rightwing base that McCain has tried to appease.
I would vote for Powell in two seconds no matter which party (or lack) he ran for.
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I would vote for Powell in two seconds no matter which party (or lack) he ran for.
I like him too!
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