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The AMA has a whole lot more to apologize for

But there's a lot more than just racism going on in the history of conventional medicine. I ask: When will the AMA apologize to all the other people it has harmed throughout American history?

• When will the AMA apologize for ongoing discrimination against black patients? Black men and women are suffering from extremely aggressive forms of prostate and breast cancers right now, and the AMA has still failed to educate black patients about the crucial role of sunlight and vitamin D in preventing such cancers. See http://www.naturalnews.com/rr-sunlight.html

• When will the AMA apologize for decades of attempts to destroy the competing practice of chiropractic medicine? What about the AMA's hundred-plus years of attacks on virtually every form of medicine it did not control or profit from?

• When will the AMA apologize to all the families of the victims of Big Tobacco companies for promoting cigarettes in its Journal of the American Medical Association, even long after evidence clearly linked cigarette smoking with cancer and heart disease? Read What the American Medical Association hopes you never learn about its true history at http://www.naturalnews.com/008845.html

• When will the AMA apologize to all the nutritional supplement companies whose vitamins have been discredited in JAMA using fraudulent science clearly designed to distort study results and discredit nutrients that compete with pharmaceuticals?

• When will the AMA apologize to Dr. Burzynski for its ravaging attacks on his antineoplastons cancer therapy which astonished conventional cancer researchers by reversing cancer in numerous patients? See http://www.burzynskiclinic.com

• When will the AMA apologize to Harry Hoxsey for attacking his character and attempting to outlaw his anti-cancer salves? Today, we know the ingredients in Hoxsey's salves are genuine anti-cancer medicines made by Mother Nature.

• When will the AMA apologize to all the people who have been killed by the dangerous pharmaceuticals that are regularly promoted in its journal? (JAMA looks more like a catalog of drug ads than a genuine science journal...)

• When will the AMA apologize to the homeopathic community for its vehement attacks against a system of medicine that conventional doctors make no attempt to even understand? Read How the American Medical Association Got Rich by Dana Ullman at http://www.naturalnews.com/023195.html

• When will the AMA apologize to the entire U.S. population for its utter failure to embrace the safer and far more effective natural therapies that make many pharmaceuticals truly obsolete? By refusing to recommend such natural therapies, the AMA has played a significant role in limiting the choice of health care consumers, forcing them to rely on highly profitable - yet highly dangerous - prescription drugs that just happen to enrich the corporations that provide most of the financial support for the AMA!

• When will the AMA apologize to all the tens of millions of Americans who have been killed by the very kind of drugs-and-surgery medicine pushed by the AMA, even when safer and far less expensive alternatives are readily available? The AMA has blood on its hands, and this goes way beyond racial discrimination. I believe the AMA's power-hungry policies on controlling medicine have resulted in actions that are best described as crimes against humanity.

And finally, in the most outrageous but true conclusion to all this, when will the AMA and conventional medicine ever learn that their drug-based medicine doesn't work, and that cancer, diabetes, heart disease, depression, Alzheimer's and other degenerative conditions can be cured with raw foods, medicinal herbs, sunlight, and exercise without using a single pharmaceutical or scalpel?
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The AMA has a whole lot more to apologize for
The AMA has blood on its hands, and this goes way beyond racial discrimination. I believe the AMA's power-hungry policies on controlling medicine have resulted in actions that are best described as crimes against humanity.

And finally, in the most outrageous but true conclusion to all this, when will the AMA and conventional medicine ever learn that their drug-based medicine doesn't work, and that cancer, diabetes, heart disease, depression, Alzheimer's and other degenerative conditions can be cured with raw foods, medicinal herbs, sunlight, and exercise without using a single pharmaceutical or scalpel?
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True in that taxol is plant derived. Radiation is energy and can delivered in natural form. Botulism toxin too and its good for the wrinkles.
On the other hand hemlock is all natural too and deadly.
Why people think something is only good if all natural and bad otherwise I'll never know. Splitting i guess. what can you do.
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natural medicine has no place in the United States where we base treatments on detailed studies. doctors that advocate this stuff should have their licenses revoked for irresponsibility. if a patient wants to google things and make life or death decisions based on the internet let them, but to actually prescribe something on what is essentially a whim is terribly irresponsible
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well i think we have a definition problem here. Something being "natural" is fine. The problem is when people make claims not backed up by evidence or represent themselves as having qualifications that they dont.
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natural medicine has no place in the United States where we base treatments on detailed studies. doctors that advocate this stuff should have their licenses revoked for irresponsibility. if a patient wants to google things and make life or death decisions based on the internet let them, but to actually prescribe something on what is essentially a whim is terribly irresponsible
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good lord...john mccain is right we have become a nation of whiners...why do we always need an apology from some nebulous organization so we can get our fuzzies on and feel good..i don't want apologies i want actions..same goes for our cultures and excuses...i am tired of us minorities making excuses for having a 25% graduation rate in detroit, or twelve kids per family in my part of town...stop with the requisite apologies and stop the excuses we don't need either anymore than we need another bunghole but here is a rebutal:

When will the AMA apologize for ongoing discrimination against black patients? Black men and women are suffering from extremely aggressive forms of prostate and breast cancers right now, and the AMA has still failed to educate black patients about the crucial role of sunlight and vitamin D in preventing such cancers. See http://www.naturalnews.com/rr-sunlight.html

how about when patient populations as a whole start showing up for health maintenance appointments and maybe just maybe actually start doing what they are told suring such appointments. you guys in "natural" medicine are full of crap..there i said it..what the hell are you curing? you get these neurotic healthy patients that pay for your services themselves so they actually take your advice since they have basically taken responsability for theior care by paying for it. (and i don't mean full of crap like herbals etc are fake but more in that you generally take care of very healthy pts and put all sorts of crap in your literature about how vitamins prevent all sorts of disease in your neurotically healthy population)

i would love to see you guys offer your services at the rates insurance companies reimburse so that your patients have no sense of money value of your time and see how closely they follow your dietary advice. in my clinic there is a full time nutritionist, do you know how hard it is to get pts to stay and see her? and even when they do i still see my diabetic 400 pounder scarfing down a burger with a pepsi in hall on her way to her 3rd nutritionist visit!!!!i have been doing this literally for a week and a year and i am so frustrated with patients not listening that i never want to do primary care when i get out of residency..i would loose all functional ability to relate to people and just start hitting themn with a stupid stick...

• When will the AMA apologize for decades of attempts to destroy the competing practice of chiropractic medicine? What about the AMA's hundred-plus years of attacks on virtually every form of medicine it did not control or profit from?

probably when chiro stops brainwashing their followers about the evils of vaccinations
it may also help if the profession would stop claiming to treat asthma and cancer with back adjustments and magnet therapy. then if it wants to be taken profesionally seriously stop holding booths at the mall and close the open tent at the flea market

• When will the AMA apologize to all the families of the victims of Big Tobacco companies for promoting cigarettes in its Journal of the American Medical Association, even long after evidence clearly linked cigarette smoking with cancer and heart disease? Read What the American Medical Association hopes you never learn about its true history at http://www.naturalnews.com/008845.html

if you smoke your an idiot enough said

• When will the AMA apologize to all the nutritional supplement companies whose vitamins have been discredited in JAMA using fraudulent science clearly designed to distort study results and discredit nutrients that compete with pharmaceuticals?

how about when you develop a vitamin that actually gets absorbed in the gut..or how about when you prove that God or nature or whoever you think created or developed humanity over the last few million years has a flawed design and needs vitamin supplementation to live. so unless you find an archeological dig somewhere with nature's pride bottles then the vast majority of us don't need vitamins to live a good life..a decent diet is all it takes. as one of our profs said "you americans have the worlds most expensive pee"

• When will the AMA apologize to Dr. Burzynski for its ravaging attacks on his antineoplastons cancer therapy which astonished conventional cancer researchers by reversing cancer in numerous patients? See http://www.burzynskiclinic.com

because in medicine things have to be proven and proven and proven until they take hold. for example a obgyn developed laparoscopic techiques for removing gallbladders and the appendix, when he started presenting he was critizised and was actually taken off the stage at a college of surgeons meeting....if i beleived everything anyone says without concrete long standing proof and took things from one source on first pass then i'd probably have DC after my name....hehe

• When will the AMA apologize to Harry Hoxsey for attacking his character and attempting to outlaw his anti-cancer salves? Today, we know the ingredients in Hoxsey's salves are genuine anti-cancer medicines made by Mother Nature.

see point above

• When will the AMA apologize to all the people who have been killed by the dangerous pharmaceuticals that are regularly promoted in its journal? (JAMA looks more like a catalog of drug ads than a genuine science journal...)

OMG what the hell are you talking about, every natural healing magazine is adds cover to cover even the so called "stories" and "research" has ordering information and pricing at the end of the "article" most of the time. don't think for a minute that your "natural" medicines don't kill people....many have very potent biochemical properties and even in my very few years doing this i can not tell you how many times patients have come in sick and never mention that they are talking herbals or natural medicines because they don't see them as phramceuticals...they are meds by the way otherwise you may as well drink air water. we know medications harm patients because we know the chemicals are bio active and we keep track...i didn't mention homeopathics in this because that is worthless on any level i could care less if my patients bathed in it and drank that stuff from every orifice.

• When will the AMA apologize to the homeopathic community for its vehement attacks against a system of medicine that conventional doctors make no attempt to even understand? Read How the American Medical Association Got Rich by Dana Ullman at http://www.naturalnews.com/023195.html

attempt to understand what? that "dilutions" of some nebulous medicine work? in my analitical chemistry class my midterm was figuring out that after their dilutions how much would a person have to drink of the "medicine" to ingest one cell (the medicine was made from duck liver) asnwer was in the order of thousands of gallons i don't remember the amount but it was 25,000 or some ridiculous number like that

• When will the AMA apologize to the entire U.S. population for its utter failure to embrace the safer and far more effective natural therapies that make many pharmaceuticals truly obsolete? By refusing to recommend such natural therapies, the AMA has played a significant role in limiting the choice of health care consumers, forcing them to rely on highly profitable - yet highly dangerous - prescription drugs that just happen to enrich the corporations that provide most of the financial support for the AMA!

agree, if the US population would just do what we counsel them on every well health visit (loose weight, excercfise, watch your diet) we wouldn't need phatm companies and at the same time vitamin companies

• When will the AMA apologize to all the tens of millions of Americans who have been killed by the very kind of drugs-and-surgery medicine pushed by the AMA, even when safer and far less expensive alternatives are readily available? The AMA has blood on its hands, and this goes way beyond racial discrimination. I believe the AMA's power-hungry policies on controlling medicine have resulted in actions that are best described as crimes against humanity.

don't even know what to make of this statement other than beg for someone to grant you access to naloxone

And finally, in the most outrageous but true conclusion to all this, when will the AMA and conventional medicine ever learn that their drug-based medicine doesn't work, and that cancer, diabetes, heart disease, depression, Alzheimer's and other degenerative conditions can be cured with raw foods, medicinal herbs, sunlight, and exercise without using a single pharmaceutical or scalpel?

actually you can't "cure" any of the above with what you prescribed but you can probably prevent most of it. natural medicine should be there to prevent me getting patients but once someone is sick then nothing you can offer works...hell some of what i can offer will only buy a few months.

learn to work together i have no problem sending my patients to a herbalist or chiro that i know practices in scope of practice and real evidence based practices...i do refuse to refer people to homeopaths and i am back and forth on naturapaths since their education and state credentialing is so varied
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The AMA has some things to apologize for. Not backing up unproven and untested treatments is not one of them. If there were some really good studies that proved they worked, fine. The AMA isn't in the business of doing studies. The pharmaceutical companies will do anything they can for a buck. If there is something of substance to any of the claims the "natural" camp makes, you can be sure that they will find a way to extract, purify and/or synthesize whatever it is. NOTHING can evade them. G
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