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Old 04-08-2008, 03:44 PM
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Donde tu buscar la palabra 'ethnic' in my post? Dude why are you raising 'color' here? I did not say it in my post......all I said that a guy who killed a dog should not go to prison because in US of A, millions of animals are slaughtered every day......and millions gamble in the casinos.....so why is Vick in Jail?

Where did you find ethnicity here , apart from the fact that I am not white.....I think u need to change the lenses of your soul hermano.....

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Under recent Federal sentence guidelines you do jail time, even if it's for a minimum period of time. Reason why this was implemented was to erase the old image that for certain crimes you do no time or have a walk in the park for a few weeks.

Now, correct me if I am perceiving this the wrong way, are you and coolaid insinuating that he is doing jail time because of his ethnicity? Because I can tell you of many cases in Texas of white people doing jail time for similar offenses, male and female. Just my .002 cents (in todays dollar) He did a crime, let him do the time like anyone else.
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Wow?! yes you are perceiving it the WRONG way!!!! How did you come up with that. Personally I feel there are a million other things people can over crowd our prisons with besides people who dog fight. I know several athletes and the minute they break ANY, major or minor, law that most peopel skate by with the law loves to make an example out of them (note: I do believe that if you do the crime then the punishment should fit it). With that said I think 28 months was unfair. I just see tax dollars bieng better spent locking up rapists, murders, and gangsters who break the law and so forth.

As far as the biased judicial system I recently read an article about the barbie bandits (not pertaining to dog fighting) where one of the girls was given 10 years probation for robbery...come on now, not biased? not a horrible system?

Anyways my friend, ethnicity had nothing to do with it. I hope you didn't make the correlation due to my disagreement with vick's sentence and my avatar.

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Under recent Federal sentence guidelines you do jail time, even if it's for a minimum period of time. Reason why this was implemented was to erase the old image that for certain crimes you do no time or have a walk in the park for a few weeks.

Now, correct me if I am perceiving this the wrong way, are you and coolaid insinuating that he is doing jail time because of his ethnicity? Because I can tell you of many cases in Texas of white people doing jail time for similar offenses, male and female. Just my .002 cents (in todays dollar) He did a crime, let him do the time like anyone else.
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Where did the streets come from?.....

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I agree; if you do the crime serve the time. Vick had tons of money to defended himself with the best attorney money could buy and was found guilty. He is not in jail because he grew up on the streets he is there because he broke the law.
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funny?why?
that a man who send 1000's to death for petrol companies is going scot free and a guy wh rose from the streets is in jail for killin dogs? now dont we kill millions of poultry,pigs,bulls n cows, fishes for food every day? so a guy goes to jail for killin dogs.......dogs lives are more equal than 4000 american lives?

Vick gambled, but America buys lotto to the tune of millions......
Vick should have paid a fine, he did not deserve prison.......
It came from coolaids post. It does not matter who you are if you break the law you deserve to be in jail no matter how full it is.
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"millions gamble in the casinos....wo why is Vick in Jail"

Easy to answer...Vick pleaded guilty to one count of "conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture" in a plea agreement filed in U.S. District Court in Richmond. When asked if he understood the charges he said "Yes". The kind of gambling we see in LEGAL casinos is preceisely that, LEGAL gambling. Dog fiighting is ILLEGAL. You see the difference? I don't make the laws, I just repect them and follow them, same as Vick should have, he broke them, he is in jail under Fed. guidelines. You think it's unfair, your opinion, not the facts of the case, which is what really matters. Neither you or I can change that. Besides, in my original post reply to this thread I explained why you don't get probation at the Federal level, State level is a different scenario, and Vick may face State charges and still that is NOT double jeopardy due to the duality of the Federal-State system and which State laws he broke since he has not responded to State charges ...yet.

Millions of animals get slaughter every day...I am not getting into a circular argument on the morals of that and eating animals, etc.

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Donde tu buscar la palabra 'ethnic' in my post? Dude why are you raising 'color' here? I did not say it in my post......all I said that a guy who killed a dog should not go to prison because in US of A, millions of animals are slaughtered every day......and millions gamble in the casinos.....so why is Vick in Jail?

Where did you find ethnicity here , apart from the fact that I am not white.....I think u need to change the lenses of your soul hermano.....
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(note: I do believe that if you do the crime then the punishment should fit it). "With that said I think 28 months was unfair."

The judge applied his criteria using sentencing guidelines, all Federal judges do, so under such guidelines, the judge imposed 28 months as he saw the punishment fit it.

This is what happened during the hearing: Vick pleaded guilty to one count of "conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture" in a plea agreement filed in U.S. District Court in Richmond.

During the hearing, U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson asked Vick if he understood the charge. Vick responded, "Yes sir."

The judge reminded Vick that he does not have to accept the deal's recommended sentence of 12 to 18 months.

"I place a lot of weight on the government's recommendations but I am not bound by that," Hudson said. "The decision is mine." He was asked again if he understood that, and Vick said.."Yes"

That seals the deal, he made bad choices, broke the law, said he understood what could happen to him and went on to plea guilty, now he is playing prison foootball, very simple, his problem now.

As for the Barbie bandits, they were sentenced at State level, NOT Federal. I explained why you get minimum jail time at the FEDERAL level in my original post. State's have different sentencing guidelines and probation figures among them in almost all States, not at the Federal level.

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Wow?! yes you are perceiving it the WRONG way!!!! How did you come up with that. Personally I feel there are a million other things people can over crowd our prisons with besides people who dog fight. I know several athletes and the minute they break ANY, major or minor, law that most peopel skate by with the law loves to make an example out of them (note: I do believe that if you do the crime then the punishment should fit it). With that said I think 28 months was unfair. I just see tax dollars bieng better spent locking up rapists, murders, and gangsters who break the law and so forth.

As far as the biased judicial system I recently read an article about the barbie bandits (not pertaining to dog fighting) where one of the girls was given 10 years probation for robbery...come on now, not biased? not a horrible system?

Anyways my friend, ethnicity had nothing to do with it. I hope you didn't make the correlation due to my disagreement with vick's sentence and my avatar.
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Mike Vick deserved to go to jail, but the question is how long did he deserve it? I guess the biggest factor was the cruelty and the methods that the animals were killed in.
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Mr. Vick doesn't seem to be publicly complaining about his sentence. Why should anyone else complain? I can see this being a good turning point in his life: learning that prison is somewhere he doesn't want to be. Considering what he has going for him on the outside odds are he will do just fine.
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funny?why?
that a man who send 1000's to death for petrol companies is going scot free and a guy wh rose from the streets is in jail for killin dogs? now dont we kill millions of poultry,pigs,bulls n cows, fishes for food every day? so a guy goes to jail for killin dogs.......dogs lives are more equal than 4000 american lives?

Vick gambled, but America buys lotto to the tune of millions......
Vick should have paid a fine, he did not deserve prison.......
Cool, I can't believe those who hunt down deers and have bunny and duck seasons got away with it. Some fools even have bear hunting seasons, too, and some have squash the squeals and beat your bat season. That's funny!

Vick must have not been a good street OG.
Yeah, he forgot to feed the dog...to himself and pose, that is.
Such a great meat!
Anyway, that's a lesson to learn. Please fight your roosters, your chicken in the kitchen and don't let the dogs out.
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