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    sammy123 is offline Member 510 points
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    Indians Inflated USMLE Score

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    I heard from insider residency Program Director meetings that Indian students have high USMLE score cut-offs since they have "special" training for this test...

    Any truth to whether they actually do?

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    I've encountered several attendings who've made that exact statement. Most of these guys are stupid, jealous bastards who find it hard to imagine that someone trained in an offshore school or a foreign school would attain scores that are significantly above the US average. I remember the specialty surgeons during my GenSurg rotation making fun of me saying that I had "special training" or "had memorized the answers ahead of time" because they got 80s on Step 1 and my score was so much higher.

    The reason for higher scores is that foreign graduates understand that the only way to compete with American graduates is to study like crazy and get very, very high scores. For example, I'm taking Step 2 in two months and as far as I'm concerned, anything less than a two-digit score of 99 is failure for me, regardless of what specialty I'm applying to. It is precisely that kind of mentality that results in high scores.

    Short answer to your question: "The special training" = hard work and sacrifice - It's not just an Indian thing.
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    So, shouldn't these directors look at the numbers differently for someone in that has a 1 month break to study (i.e. US student) to a foreign student who will take several?

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    They do look at them differently. US students are prioritized anyway. But, it would be nice if they stop making stupid comments about "special training." It's not like you need time off anyway. I'm not taking any off.

    Also, American students probably have summer vacation. I got 10 days off every 4 months and Antigual Independence Day.
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    you mean as in taking exams over the 2 years of basics in the style of USMLE questions? Or taking Shelf exams?

    everyone who takes the USMLE will have had some sort of "special" training...whether it be taking exams geared to studying to the test, or taking a kaplan course, or doing USMLEW.

    and like sree said, there is more at stake for a F/IMG than a AMG- the scores are what open doors for us- these doors are already open to AMGs- many don't even take step II until closer to graduation.
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    you honestly believe this? And the jewish conspiracy too? What about sept 11th? please.
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    funny

    Quote Originally Posted by sammy123 View Post
    I heard from insider residency Program Director meetings that Indian students have high USMLE score cut-offs since they have "special" training for this test...

    Any truth to whether they actually do?

    funny and catagorical untrue. i have met plenty of indian med students who have failed the usmle multiple times and having gone through two cycles of the match and interviewing seeing scores i can honestly tell you that many indian students have avg to below avg scores just like the asian kid in my algebra class who was horrible at math...

    this stereotype of indian residents having 99's has some validity to it since in order to land a residency here true fmg's need far and above the US avg so the fmgs you see in residency here are usually the cream of the cream of the crop in their country...even at the worse community program you will probably find fmgs with 99's along with the us and carib residents that barely passed or failed a few times. also the population in india is huge and to our measly 200 million people over here it may seem that they are disproportionately smart when its probably that the proportions are the same just more people there?

    the other rumor that is floating around is about indian and syrian usmle centers being corrupt and having a "ringer" take the test for you...
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    you honestly believe this? And the jewish conspiracy too? What about sept 11th? please.
    im wearing a yamakkah to residency interviews..just to be safe!
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    is the jewish conspiracy the 4 hrs of foreplay?

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    Many of those FMGs from India were working as full physicians in India before taking the USMLEs, the ones who did well had significant clinical exposure before taking the exam, realistically the idea that all graduates from India have 99th percentile USMLEs are false. The Indian model of education was modeled after the UK, UK graduates as well as those from Australia also do extremely well on the USMLE. But like the case of Indian graduates British and Australian graduates have considerable clinical experience before taking the exam.

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