My father served in VN and he told me recently how Iraq situation now is very similiar to VN during his time. He said we are in a war with out and end, and yes Iraq is in a civil war doesnt matter what the admistration tell u. If u dont believe me watch the BBC, they have a lot more objective reporting than our so call free media in US (Fox News). As the casuality list mounting, he told me that even doesnt only look at the list of casuality, but we must look at the number of wounded as well. As of now there are more than 10,000 soliders died or seriously wounded in Iraq war. Let hope we can have a more sane government comes next year. Feel free to debate and discuss with civility. It's not being unpatriot to question ur government. It's a must for truth democracy to florish.

you'll understand why I choose to step in now to let you all know that tos still apply. if you violate them you will receive a warning, no request to please edit first. consider your decision to post on this thread a tacit agreement that you will accept warnings/bannings for violation without complaint. carry on.

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If you get a warning, put on yer manpants and stop whining about it.

its very similar, but vietnam wasn't for oil and money. also, in vietnam the press wasn't in the govt's back pocket.

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