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Old 05-19-2005, 05:43 AM
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i think i received a decent education in Poland..It was not easy by no means..Certain subjects were great, certain subjects were taught horribly..i think you will get that at any school..I got that in undergrad. as well..my only regret was that I was able to do rotations without my board exam, therefore at the end, when it came time to write my board exam after i graduated it was really really tough to get my act together and remember all the basic sciences i had studied 4 years prior..i would not recommend it to anyone..I def. took the lazy way out..As for residencies..As far as I know ER is one of the most comp. spots available..look up raj geria at downstate med center..a grad from my school..beat out many americans for that spot..there is a neurology resident bilal patel from my class in the university of louiville a great program and his home town in case anyone wonders why he would go to kentucky..rads resident xenon upanjua at temple from my class...radiology resident andrew gomes in shrevport LA..these spots are no joke..sachin patel..resident in opthamology at downstate from my school..as far as i know there is only ONE person int he history of even st. georges that has gotten opthomology int he last 25 years..see the thing is..regardless of the caliber of the school's teaching, european schools have great tradiation and are very old, and residency directors appreciate that..rather than carib schools which are specifically designed to pump out grads who didnt get into US schools..i can speak fluent hungarian and some polish..these can never be a bad thing..as for me..i am starting prelim in somerset NJ and then will move to houston for neuro..take care..
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Regardless, all you are doing is providing anecdotal evidence. There's no doubt that individuals can succeed (whether at SGU or European schools), the question is how does the program rate overall.
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Old 05-20-2005, 05:50 PM
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well it did not seem to pose that much of a problem to me..all that really mattered to them is board scores..as for licensure, it varies state to state..NY state which is the only state i am interested in, only requires submission of FINAL medical school transcripts just like ECFMG does...as for neurology, it is more competitive that you think it is..first of all, the IMG's that have been attaining it for the last 2 years have been consistenly scoring over 95 on USMLE step 1..are you a resident Miklos?..neuro and gas are both more competive than they were 2 years ago..i am not embarrased at my transferring so many times as it only opened more doors for me and placed me where i am today..where i dreamed i would be 6 years ago when i started..i also could care less about california..too far away from home for me..i do however stand corrected on the optho thing..one of my friends who just graduated this past year from SGU told me this..he was wrong..
as for justifying anything..i am one of the very few that does not have to worry about it due to the number of connections i have accumulated during clinicals and externships..licensing in NY State is not that big of a deal anyways..i know all the rules inside out..take care..
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Old 05-20-2005, 10:00 PM
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"as for justifying anything..i am one of the very few that does not have to worry about it due to the number of connections i have accumulated during clinicals and externships..licensing in NY State is not that big of a deal anyways..i know all the rules inside out..take care.."

We forgot you are a seasoned veteran. And clearly you know more than we will ever know. You probably forgot more than I will ever know …………right.
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Old 05-21-2005, 01:44 AM
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oh my goodness

will you give it up gvanderv
what is your problem..i was stating facts..thats it..calm down there and go study some histology or something and get a life..and listen punk, i am in the middle of helping your friend score clinicals in chicago for your school so relax there you freshman..i was asked a question and i answered it..i hope i see you in my hospital on rounds when i am an attending so i can pimp your ill knowledged ***..
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Old 05-21-2005, 07:01 AM
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well it did not seem to pose that much of a problem to me..all that really mattered to them is board scores..as for licensure, it varies state to state..NY state which is the only state i am interested in, only requires submission of FINAL medical school transcripts just like ECFMG does...
That does make a big difference.

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as for neurology, it is more competitive that you think it is..first of all, the IMG's that have been attaining it for the last 2 years have been consistenly scoring over 95 on USMLE step 1..are you a resident Miklos?..neuro and gas are both more competive than they were 2 years ago..
Nope, I'm not yet a resident. Hopefully, July '06.

Re: Neuro, the SF Match (which does matching for all but 40 or so odd PGY1 positions through the NRMP) does not (to my knowledge) release statistics like the NRMP. It is possible that it has gotten more competitive and that the FREIDA stats lag. However, I doubt that they've got average scores of 95.

Re: Anes. We have statistics from the NRMP. See http://www.nrmp.org/2005advdata.pdf (page 4)

For both PGY1 (around 70% US grads) & PGY2 (around 72% US grads) spots, they look to be roughly the same as far as competitiveness goes for the last four years (since 2001) if we simply take US grads versus non-US grads (including all the applicants, but principally made up of IMGs; DOs, 5th Pathway, Canadian and past US grads are also represented.)

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i am not embarrased at my transferring so many times as it only opened more doors for me and placed me where i am today..where i dreamed i would be 6 years ago when i started..i also could care less about california..too far away from home for me..i do however stand corrected on the optho thing..one of my friends who just graduated this past year from SGU told me this..he was wrong..
as for justifying anything..i am one of the very few that does not have to worry about it due to the number of connections i have accumulated during clinicals and externships..licensing in NY State is not that big of a deal anyways..i know all the rules inside out..take care..
Good for you. My point is that making the decision to transfer should not be taking easily considering its impact on licensure. As you only care about NY and know the rules, that's understandable. However, others should also educate themselves.

Miklos
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Why so ?

Correct me if I am wrong. But, I've noticed on the NRMP statistics that during years 01-05 that all of the available residence position have not been filled up.
Looking at these data, why should an IMG really worry about getting a resdience position?

Wouldn't they be able to qualify for one or the other residence position as long as they have a decent USMLE 1 score? (80-95)

Or would the Residence Directors have their residence position open rather than taking an IMG for that respective spot ?

Any response would be helpful.

If I were a residence director, I would take a decent IMG as long as I see he/she has a potential to be a doctor and will be able to succeed instead of leaving those position unfilled with no one benefiting the learning experience of residence.......

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Scores:

The statistics of USMLE test scores of the US students as well as FMG graduates can be obtained at this link:

http://www.usmle.org/scores/scores.htm

Does anyone know if it would be possible to get the breakdown of FMG?

How many were from Caribbean, Poland, India, Italy???


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Correct me if I am wrong. But, I've noticed on the NRMP statistics that during years 01-05 that all of the available residence position have not been filled up.
Looking at these data, why should an IMG really worry about getting a resdience position?
That data is meaningless out of context. See this thread for a detailed explanation of the numbers.

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Wouldn't they be able to qualify for one or the other residence position as long as they have a decent USMLE 1 score? (80-95)

Or would the Residence Directors have their residence position open rather than taking an IMG for that respective spot ?

Any response would be helpful.

If I were a residence director, I would take a decent IMG as long as I see he/she has a potential to be a doctor and will be able to succeed instead of leaving those position unfilled with no one benefiting the learning experience of residence.......

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Those spots do not stay "open".

First, there are unmatched US Seniors, who compete for them, in addition to unmatched DOs, unmatched past US grads, unmatched Fifth Pathway grads, and finally (the largest group) unmatched IMGs (both US citizens and foreigners). See the thread I referenced above for the best explanation I can provide using publicly available data.

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Old 05-21-2005, 11:42 AM
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The statistics of USMLE test scores of the US students as well as FMG graduates can be obtained at this link:

http://www.usmle.org/scores/scores.htm

Does anyone know if it would be possible to get the breakdown of FMG?

How many were from Caribbean, Poland, India, Italy???


atdys2r
Nope.

The ECFMG will not release a breakdown of IMG scores either by school or country.
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lets all remeber to stay within TOS and not resort to personal insults. any insults will result in warnings that could lead to the user being banned.

i understand that people get over-excited about many issues, i am guilty of it myself. but, we need to keep this forum collegial and informative. if you have been carrying on, calling names, etc...i would ask you to edit it, and to refrain from such behavior in the future.

thanks a lot, everyone, and carry on!
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