And this brings us back to U.S graduate vs IMG residency opportunity. I don't know why but in my immediate sorroundings ppl who went to Ross with me, and are now about to finish tell me that they regret not trying D.O. I understand that it's hard to have a substantiated arguement b/c nobody knows how it would've turned out for them if they've gone D.O. But why do they always bring it up? These are the folks who maintaine nearly 4.0 GPA thrugh both B.S and clinical portion? My point was always...well...D.O can't be that much better, ROSS is well-known. But they do insist that for ortho it does matter, b/c of D.O residency option. Go figure.

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i know of NO ONE who wishes they got a DO instread of an MD from sgu- or rather no one has ever expressed a sentiment to me. i dont know of any DO's whoever ever expressed a wish to have gottren an IMG MD instead.

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If you get a warning, put on yer manpants and stop whining about it.

and your usernname absorbs their post count huh?

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Those are the specialties that I've heard from Ross IMGs they whished they've gun D.O. It's not that they wished to have a D.O instead of MD. What these guys are saying it was easier in these particular programs for their D.O counterparts to get attention, and an interviews. Of course, when the dust settles nobody even is going to remember this crap IMG vs D.O etc. But it's getting the residency you want is an issue. I, for one, want PM&R, Neuro or may be Psych. I know for now they are all within the reach for IMG with somegood work ethics. But what about all these new D.O and even some new allo schools openning up in U.S? Does it spell trouble for IMGs? I'm still debating (with myself mostly) if I should go back to Carib this May or try D.O? The problem is 2007 is a tough sell for D.O b/c the earliest I could take MCAT is in
May or even June, and that still is "may be". Otherwise my stats are quite impressive. At least it wasn't an issue with ROSS and SABA back in '04.
So what do you guys think about possibly less spots for IMGs b/c D.O schools are expandidng?

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not much. MD schools are expanding too. but if this makes do the preeminant non-allopathic us way to go, so be it. no biggie so long as they're good. Who cares? and I mean that in the best of ways (so chill out SDN DOs).

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If you get a warning, put on yer manpants and stop whining about it.

SDN D.O is not here, or at least not me anyway.
Steph, I'm sorry, I really have a hard time following you in your last post. my question was o you think there will be less spots for U.S IMGs b/c of U.S D.O (and M.D) expansion? I have to chose wether to spend another 1.5 yr on U.S (I'm pretty sure I'll get in) or just hech with that I'm 36.5 y.o already. I know what I want, and as it stands right now Carib could do the treak for me, but...that's for now. Who knows how tight is it gonna get 4 yrs from now. That's exactly the time when all these new U.S schools will start pumping out their first graduates?

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there are thousands of open residency slots, there is no way that the US medical establishment will allow an overflow of graduates, they like keeping a tight control on number of grads. having talked with attendings and other docs about this nobody wants to be in the position that chiros and pods are...schools all over the place, not enough jobs when they get out and being forced to 'creative marketing' to attract students with limo rides to the interviews. a very close friend of mine got accepted into life university without a single college credit, didn't finish high school either, they set up for him to take his pre-chiro classes at a nearby community college.... i don't think many in the MD/DO community want to be forced to resort to setting up booths at the mall.

well at least it will not afftect me now that is whats really important

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Yep there is a real problem with chiro jobs, and allied health even with a doctoral degree. I, for one, have a license to practice acupuncture and an M.S degree in the field. T.G way before that I had my RN and could still create a nice six figure income by doing home care visits. Though paper work is a killer. But at least the acupuncture practice is on cash and carry basis, so I don't care if the insurance only patients don't come. I usually give them a super bill with ICD9 code and they send it back to their insurance company. But I feel sorry for the folks who got sucked into this field based on some romanticism. They've gotten quite a rude awakening once they got out in the real World. I guess same goes for absolutely clueless premeds who think they'll be at the top of te game all the way through. I guess my concern is...I don't want to regret going IMG when D.O was well within the reach with some effort. But when I open MCAT physics and Orgo really nauseate me. It's been soo long ago for me and not at such volume. So all of the sudden Carib IMG starting to look very good .Clinically oriented material, even remotely clininical, comes in way much easier than some abstract undergrad crap. And I realize that the clock is ticking...thus dilemma IMG now or D.O later. Let's have a vote

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Chiro is getting crowded, but you have to remember that there are only 60,000 chiros in the US. So statistically, there are enough people for all chiros. However, only about 10% of the population go to chiros.

I make more money as a chiro than most MDs in my town make and I only work 3 days a week. I have never done mall booths or "creative" marketing.

I am not going into medicine with money as my motivation. I want a larger scope of practice to help people.. and I should be able to make more money too.

I didn't want to do the MCAT either, since I took all those science classes in 10 years. However, I want to transfer back to a US school, so I have to have a MCAT score either way.

Carib was the only way for me, even though my GPA is good, I know I couldn't do that well on the MCAT now. I am however taking the MCAT next week, since I did find ONE US school that will allow me to take the January MCAT. So.. I am going to at least try to get in before I head to the Carribean.

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you are one of the lucky ones and probably live in a small town. there are chiros in chicago making about $30,000 a year. there was a news story about a woman in san fran making $42,000 combined with a part time waitress job i think. plus you guys pad the bills quite creatively. i used to help run a MD office with referrals to chiros got calls for additional authorization for more visits and the reports they sent were masterpieces fictional art, more than the dermatologist reports...hehe you guys can actually still bill for services at fee for service so you can make some money if you have the volume but HMO's started placing limits on number of visits and car insurance now has caps for chiros. thats why there are usually even dentists are getting hit by hmo contracts....

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