DO is for what!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What makes you think I have to feel superior when I post? I never insulted you. All I did was clear up some misconceptions that you had about DOs and OMM.

[/quote] SO DO's do not have a Different practice Philosophy then MD's? Huh then why the COMLEX why the different residencies, residencies MD students cannot match in, HUH I deal with facts not Opinions posted as facts and I reserve not to insult people but thats me and this was you...................... [/quote]

Again, show me one time where I called you a name. I never insulted you. All I did was correct some false information you posted. Current osteopathic practice stemmed from a philosophy much different than what it is today. Again, a little research would do you a world of good. In the late 1800's, Andrew Taylor Still's (an MD) family members came down with meningitis. Back then there were a ton of potentially toxic and harmful drugs used to treat a large variety of illnesses, some of which were unaffected by the drugs, yet people did not understand the concept of "self-limiting" diseases, much like society today and antibiotics. Still felt that the treatments given to them did more harm then good and this is how osteopathic manipulative medicine came about. Granted, some of his treatments were far fetched, but they also caused less harm than literally poisoning someone with the drugs they had available at the time. He developed a strong following of patients looking for less harmful treatments. Fast forward 100 years - allopathic medicine doesn't involve the use of arsenic, antimony, or strychnine anymore, yet there are still some potentially dangerous but usefull drugs being used (opioids for example), and osteopathic medicine doesn't depend solely on manipulation to heal a patient, but uses pharmacological therapies as well. The two philosophies have merged. Imagine if you as an allopathic physician gave someone a dose of strychnine to treat a common cold? Imagine if I as an osteopathic physician treated someone with a staph infection with OMM? We'd both be looking at lawsuits up the wazoo. On to your next question, the only thing stopping a combined match is some of the irrational higher-ups of the AOA who still insist that DOs take a more patient oriented or hands-on approach. If my memory serves me correctly, the COMLEX didn't have any biostatistics on it and of course contained questions on OMM. That was the only thing that made it different from the USMLE. So there you have it. A lot has changed in the past century and this is where the allopathic profession got the nickname "pill pushers." They'd throw medications around, not knowing what they did or if they'd work. Obviously this is not the case any more.



[/quote] I said hundreds as matter of speak, boy do I have to explain everything to you? [/quote]

There is a huge difference between saying there are 900 DOs in the country vs. there are 40,000 DOs in the country.

[/quote] YOU believe all the DO propaganda they print HUH? I do not, I question everything and look for both sides. [/quote]

lol where are you getting all of this from? Myself as well as the majority of the recent graduating DOs don't believe any propaganda and we all support a combined match. If we believed propaganda we'd still be using OMM to treat meningitis. I promise you there isn't a single DO in practice that hasn't prescribed antibiotics for someone diagnosed with bacterial meningitis. It's the old farts in charge of the AOA who are insisting DOs are so much better than MDs but we're fighting that by not supporting the AOA and matching in allopathic residencies instead. They're slowly getting the message, but the civil war is far from over. As far as you looking for both sides, you still don't seem to understand that you have some serious misconceptions about DOs. If you feel I've lied about anything here, please let me know and I'll provide you with sources. I repeat, if you think I'm making any of this up, tell me which part you don't believe and I will provide you with sources.


[/quote] (BTW way you said there are not hundreds but 7% of 40,000 is just a few (2800) so you made my point for me, and that figure may even be a lot larger then the Data suggests, it could just be based on a small sample and not as accurate as it seems?)[/quote]

What are you talking about? Let's try this again:

There are over 40,000 practicing DOs (Gevitz 2004).

Then I quoted you a separate study conducted at a certain osteopathic school two years ago that stated:

56% of students practice OMM regularly during the first two years,

7% of students practice OMM from the 3rd year rotations and thereafter.

You said there are 100's of DOs. That's plain, flat out wrong. I'm not sure what else you're trying to get at.

Reading SDN is the biggest mistake anyone can make. It's made up of a bunch of know-it-all premeds who think they're qualified to give advice. I actually saw a thread there once where they were comparing who had more impressive volunteer activities. The fact that you're associating SDN with the real world is actually quite worrisome.



[/quote]I should have never expected a good debate without insults form a DO student or Resident.......................................... ......I'm a Caribbean student, a MD student what some DO students wanted more then anything to be an MD and went to DO because they couldn't get accepted into MD schools.......................OH well MD will be behind my name.[/quote]

Show me one time where I've insulted you. I have no clue what you're talking about. And this isn't a debate. I'm simply stating facts (with sources) about the field of medicine I went into. I'm sorry if you had some misconceptions about the profession.

I could tell you I got into Harvard medical School (but I didn't) and it would mean nothing because this is the internet. You might be the president of the United States for all I know. But for the record, being near my fiancee and hospital rotations in 3rd year were the most important factors when I decided DO over MD. The two letters following my name played little to no role in my decision. If that's a priority to someone else, that's their preroggitive (sp?).

good case closed, lets move on

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ok girls and boys heres how it works. you all review your posts for violations of tos. and edit any. if not you get a warning. No further requests.

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To sylvian291:

This is what you said:

You started here by saying I was wrong, I had said:

This is exactly what I posted so I worded it wrong I know there thousands but what does that have to do OMM? I was making the point that you have to learn it in the program and are tested on it so to do well you have to learn it. Thats the reason of the statement, sure you can nit pick at what I say but as I said you are insulting me.


You say that OMM is not important but then say this to support

No Allopathy will not do a "rib lift" for a patient to feel better, how are the two exactly the same? You again insult me for not agreeing DO and MD are the same philosophy, I can believe in treating the whole patient without doing all things by a DO method. Different approaches and treatments.

And you are right I do not know enough about OMM to comment a lot, thats because I'm a MD student not a DO student or have been a DC.

And why must you say my opinion is wrong, it's an opinion not something I'm saying as a fact. It is what I believe.

Again insults here, of course I can go on and on about success from the Caribbean, One of the grads from my school for instance matched at Cook County, another matched into Anesthesia, SGU lists is full of decent and excellent matches, yes to name a few at the moment.( I do not have enough time to list the thousands of successful grads) Sure these people did well at the USMLE and I hope to as well but then again I just want FP.

Better than DO if you want to be an MD is what I believe,
why can I not believe that? Many do not want to be a DO for reasons they have, why do many ( And I do not agree with this thought) say DO is second and not first choice? Some say US MD then Caribbean as a "Back UP" yeah I have seen this a lot too. They do not consider DO, yes anecdotal evidence since I do not have numbers to back up this so it is my belief and opinion, Oh my guess you are going to spend time telling me I'm wrong again.

Forgive me for not being clear I apologize but I tried to clear it up here and it is ignored.


Basically every post you addressed to me you started off or ended by saying YOUR WRONG, this is no way to post, you should just post a rebuttle, some of the statements are opinions and opinions are not wrong nor right just opinions.

You call OMM a tool, Allopathy does not so there's a difference of opinion.

there is manipulation done as an MD like setting shoulders and bones and other joints but it's different than the whole of OMM if not then tell us but thats my understanding.

I never once posted "Your Wrong" just a rebuttle in what I believe or understand. "Your Wrong" is not right and an insult in some cases.

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Wow. It is really, really tough to read what you say.

And, it is really clear that you have a hard time understanding what others say.

any attempt to reopen this thread will lead to immediate warning. We are considering warnings to posters on this thread for flaming.

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