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    New law gives medical licenses to naturopathic doctors

    http://www.auburnjournal.com/article...e/01health.txt

    New law gives medical licenses to naturopathic doctors
    Three local docs will be able to diagnose, treat illnesses

    By: xxxxxxxxx, Journal Staff Writer
    Thursday, December 23, 2004 5:09 AM PST


    Naturopathic doctors xxxxx, back, and his wife, xxxxxx, perform a routine checkup on a patient at their Auburn office. They are among the first in California to be licensed naturopathic doctors. Photo by xxxx/Auburn Journal
    Up until recently, naturopathic medicine practitioners in California could only be consultants in a patient's medical care. They weren't able to do lab tests, draw blood or even diagnose illnesses.

    But now thanks to a new California law, some of the first licensed naturopathic doctors will be able to be primary care physicians for thousands who seek out their care. And there are three of them in Auburn alone.

    "Because there was no licensing regulation in our profession, naturopathic doctors had to operate as a nutritionist would. So this basically put us on same level as an MD," said xxxxxxof Four Rivers Naturopathic Clinic in Auburn.

    xxxx and her husband xxxxxx started the clinic in November and are anxiously awaiting their licenses along with xxxxx, an Auburn native who has a home practice in town.

    "I'm really excited about it. What I've found is because I can't advertise I'm a doctor a lot of people don't realize what I do," xxxxx said. "Now people can be aware of alternatives, because Western medicine doesn't have all the answers. We have some, and hopefully there will be more choice for people."



    Now NDs can prescribe drugs through a supervising MD, administer intravenous fluids, draw blood, do lab tests, exams and diagnose illness.

    The biggest benefit xxxxx sees is being able to legally diagnose and treat illness, where before she could only suggest and hint at things that have helped other people.

    "The wording was different. Now I can be a little bit more direct - yes I treat this and this and not 'We get great success from doing this.' It's just easier," she said.

    The bill set to be signed into law earlier this year created the Bureau of Naturopathic Medicine under the Department of Consumer Affairs. The process of setting up this new infrastructure took time, and now finally, doctors are receiving their licenses in California.

    California is the 13th state to license naturopathic doctors.



    "It's been kind of a buyer beware. (California) had an environment in which it's hard for consumers to understand what they're getting and the difference between a well-trained naturopathic doctor and just anyone," said xxxxxx, president of the California Naturopathic Doctor's Association.

    Levy said many correspondence schools offer degrees in naturopathy that don't guarantee any medical training.In the Know: Fast naturopathic facts

    There are five approved schools of naturopathic medicine in North America.There are 150 members of the California Naturopathic Doctors Association.Four naturopathic doctors in the area were among the first to apply for their license, three in Auburn and one in Sacramento.
    Naturopathic doctors licensed by California must have a degree from an approved school and have passed the Naturopathic Physicians Licensing Examination to call themselves naturopathic doctors.

    While unlicensed naturopathic practitioners still have a lot to offer, Hook said, they might not have same medical background as NDs.

    Though there are still some limitations, NDs cannot deliver children or do minor surgery, these are advances on the horizon for the newly licensed naturopathic doctors. But now patients can rest assured they are receiving quality care, xxxxxxx said.

    "If you have a broken bone, we can't treat you, and if you have appendicitis, we'll know. That's the benefit for the citizens of California know they know that their doctor have training to recognize serious illness," she said.


    xxxxxxxxare both doctors originally from California who studied in Arizona but missed the nature, rolling hills and trees that of California.

    "I'm not sure we would have come here if that law wasn't passed and that's going to be true for lots of students and people who have been practicing in other states," xxxxxsaid. "This will change the face of health care in California, this is just the beginning."

    Naturopathy is a holistic medical approach that treats the entire person with the least invasive and toxic means.

    "We try to understand what is going on with the person on a physical level, an emotional level and a spiritual level. We use treatments as gentle and conservative as possible while still getting the job done," xxxxxx said.

    Patients are pleased to hear they can now see their naturopathic doctors for many of their needs.

    "I'm totally thrilled I won't go to a medical doctor unless it's absolutely necessary now that can see her for everything," said xxxxxxxxx, 38, Meadow Vista, who started seeing D'Amico this summer.

    "I was struggling with the limitations of Western medicine, and looking for any alternative that can help," she said. "And now they can do lab tests and give shots on top of what they're already capable of doing. It's so wonderful."

    The Journal's xxxxxxxx can be reached at xxxxxxxxxx
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    Quote Originally Posted by microbiologist
    These products have been clinically tested and people have had results esp.when taking supplements from large successful companies including NOW products,VAXA international,Nature's Way,Innerlight,Nature's Plus.

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    pretty doubtful the studies are valid, p values are significant and all side effects were researched
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    Quote Originally Posted by swimguy23
    pretty doubtful the studies are valid, p values are significant and all side effects were researched
    Explain what you mean exactly..

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    This is crazy, NDs treat patients in specialties... I wonder how they managed to infilitrate government and what the real medical board opinions where/are in the process.

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    You see it has no government intervention,they have there own associations and yes there are many MD's belong to them and they themselves want to be in a field that goes beyond symptoms and can generate more income by not only visits but by opening businesses with a large range of food supplements that sell to pharmacies,the public,other health food stores and groceries.
    The reason why its so successful is because it simply works.
    Clinical tests were taken by universities,scientists,doctors of naturopathy and medical doctors.

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    I have studied over the years how the naturopathic doctor would treat a cancer.There are many things that they can do to assist in preventing cancer, treating cancer, and cope with the side effects of cancer and conventional treatments. Prevention is lowering our risk of getting cancer, and usually consists of dietary and lifestyle changes, including nutrient supplementation. Treatment is used to increase the body's natural healing power to inhibit growth and spread of disease, and usually consists of dietary and lifestyle changes including a daily regimen of nutrients, herbs, and other supplements and therapies. Many people wish to cope with some of the side effects of chemotherapy or radiation to fight fatigue, weight loss, hair loss, blood count drops and other side effects of conventional therapies.
    From a naturopathic perspective,they built their foundation on the basics of a healthy diet, adequate sleep, clean water, and a good attitude. They want to eliminate any known carcinogens, toxins, triggers or promoters. The supplements we do need to support normal cell replication and immune function. We need to do co-treatment for any conventional therapies to reduce side effects and increase survival rates. We want to try and do correct anti-tumor herbs, medications, and foods. Individualized therapy and energy medicine should be the capstone on our strategy for cancer treatment or prevention.
    Nutritionally there are a number of things we can do to help prevent cancer and treat cancer. For prevention, an 'anti-cancer' diet would be to eat foods as closely as possible to the way they grew (whole foods, preferably organic); reduce red meat intake and replace with cold water fish, beans, whole grains, vegetables, and perhaps soy products; increase fiber content significantly; reduce intake of pesticides and herbicides; increase intake of tomato products and cruciferous veggies; insure proper hydration, replace sodas and beers with green tea; identify and remove food intolerances and allergies; identify and remove causes of constipation and abnormal bowel function; practice caloric moderation; and use olive oil. For treatment, we must remember that 40% of cancer patients will die of malnutrition and that glucose is the preferred substrate of cancer cells. Our therapy must then be oriented to feeding ourselves and selectively starving the tumor by avoiding sugar, alcohol, and simple carbohydrates, choosing good fats, and increasing pure, lean protein.
    The use of antioxidants for prevention and to reduce side effects of conventional treatments is very important. There are over 150 studies showing the effectiveness of antioxidants used with conventional therapies, both decreasing toxicity (reducing side effects) and increasing survival rates. Antioxidants can protect healthy cells during radiation and chemotherapy, act as natural anti-tumor agents, and provide immune support.
    There are many things we can do to minimize specific side effects. For nausea and vomiting, we use herbs such as ginger or herbal formulas; homeopathics such as arsenicum, ipecac or tobaccum; acupuncture and sea bands; electrolyte replacement drinks and miso; and, when all else fails, massage tends to work. For diarrhea we will modify the diet, add glutamine, use probiotics to promote a healthy gut environment, and acupuncture. For mucositis (sores in mouth or esophogitis) chamomile or slippery elm works well, vitamin E, glutamine powder added to drinks is great, and folic acid rinses (swish and swallow) help. For decreased blood counts, both anemia and leukopenia, some of our Chinese herbal formulas are great, and single herbs such as Korean ginseng for anemia and astragalus for leukopenia work well. For a decreased appetite and weight loss we can use our herbal bitters such as gentian and ginger and peppermint. Basically, with cancer, there are many things that we know. We know that toxins in the environment contribute to the US cancer epidemic. We know that antioxidants, conjugating agents, and other nutrients are required for detoxification of carcinogens. We know that research overwhelmingly indicates that numerous nutrients and phytochemicals exhibit anticancer activity, and nutrient combinations exhibit synergistic benefits. In order to effectively prevent or treat cancer we must improve our nutrition, inhibit metastasis, reduce side effects, remove the promoters such as hormones, use anti-tumor herbs, nutrients, and foods, support the immune function, enhance detoxification, and practice a positive attitude and lifestyle.

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    Homeopathy dates back 200 years to the work of Samuel Hahnemann, a German doctor seeking a kinder, gentler alternative to the often brutal treatments of the day. Hahnemann argued that any substance that produces a symptom in a healthy person can cure that symptom in a sick person. Today, the homeopathic medicine cabinet contains products derived from sulfur, snake venom, duck liver, squid ink, mercury, arsenic, belladonna, crude oil, and a host of other natural compounds -- many of them identified by Hahnemann.

    Hahnemann also believed that even minute doses could cure, and he diluted his preparations multiple times before giving them to patients. Modern homeopathic mixtures can be diluted a millionfold or more -- often so many times that no active ingredients are left.

    So why is this 200-year-old field booming now? Dana Ullman, MPH, president of Homeopathic Educational Services in Berkeley, Calif., and a leading expert on homeopathy, sees several reasons behind its rising popularity. In part, people are seeking safer therapies for themselves and their children and are frustrated with conventional medicine's inability to control symptoms over the long term, he says. Homeopathy is an attractive option, he says, because it sees symptoms as the body's adaptive responses to disease or injury.

    "Symptoms just don't represent breakdown and infection," he says. "They represent the organism's best effort to respond to stress and change," and they should be aided rather than suppressed in order to speed healing, he says. For instance, Ullman explains, conventional treatments for colds try to stop nasal discharge. But homeopathic remedies enhance nasal discharge because it's part of the body's defense against cold viruses.
    Another attraction may be the amount of care and attention patients receive during office visits, especially if they're used to the harried pace of managed care. Initial examinations may last more than an hour, during which the homeopath tries to build up a profile of the "physical, emotional, and mental characteristics of the patient" in order to select the correct treatment, says Ullman.
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    Basically,Medicine from Nature, homeopathic remedies are based on a natural medical science that works with your body to stimulate your own defenses. Conventional drugs often cause side effects because they work by suppressing symptoms. Homeopathic Medicine relieves symptoms by helping to put your body's systems into proper balance. Because Homeopathic medicine support the body's own defenses, they do not cause side effects.

    This site has information about what happens to a doctor that is biased
    http://www.quackpotwatch.org/quackpo...ts/barrett.htm

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    You can read some evidence on this site concerning homeopathic medicine http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates...Article&ID=942
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    Quote Originally Posted by microbiologist
    You see it has no government intervention,they have there own associations and yes there are many MD's belong to them and they themselves want to be in a field that goes beyond symptoms and can generate more income by not only visits but by opening businesses with a large range of food supplements that sell to pharmacies,the public,other health food stores and groceries.
    The reason why its so successful is because it simply works.
    Clinical tests were taken by universities,scientists,doctors of naturopathy and medical doctors.
    dude, i mean that herbs are just as dangerous as current medications.....most current medications were derived from plants, alkaloids, etc.....people think that because theyre eating tree bark its better for them than aspirin (which is where its derived from).....People buy into it bc everyone wants to know "what the secret is".....theres a cure for everything blah blah.....no there isnt. Look at your physiology, our bodies are meant to take in a wide variety of foods but are not designed for massive amounts of supplements or herbs.....most people dont even know the serious side effects of overdosing on vitamin A.....or even of the effects of fluoride. ND's do not have the same training nor the level of clinical experience. How is an ND going to treat a DMII with end stage CKD where their BUN and creatinine are rising uncontrollably? How is a ND going to justify not treating a hyperosmolar non-ketotic coma when a patients blood glucose is 1700? I believe NDs will take a huge step back once they start gettin hit with major lawsuits and dont have the scientific studies to promote what they say. Just because something grows in the wild does not make it safe. University studies.....really? provide some proof.....not 1 study, i want to see 100 studies on glycorrhizon.....

    I hate when people say "medicine only treats symptoms".....no those are bad doctors. The best doctors i rotate with look at the whole person, they are MDs and they dont promote eating tree bark or grass for the person to get healthy (i know im being narrow minded there but just to prove a point).....If NDs want to promote what they do.....fine but dont piggy back on mainstream medicine and blatantly fool people who think you are a real doctor with the same level of knowledge and clinical experience because that is plain negligence and people should be sued and thrown in jail for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by microbiologist
    Basically,Medicine from Nature, homeopathic remedies are based on a natural medical science that works with your body to stimulate your own defenses. Conventional drugs often cause side effects because they work by suppressing symptoms. Homeopathic Medicine relieves symptoms by helping to put your body's systems into proper balance. Because Homeopathic medicine support the body's own defenses, they do not cause side effects.
    name one substance, molecule, gas, or carbon compound that you can put into your body that will not cause side effects.....
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    I can name hundreds but you will have the same conclusion at the end because your mind is set on one standard.ND's have rights just like everyone else and they have lawyers too.They can have lots of evidence and proof that homeopathic medicine works witout any side effects.I never said that every bush is good to use.But thats the reason for studies.For instance weed is a bush but is not good for intake.Cocaine is a drug and can do damage to your body.It does not matter what you say but there are people that were never treated with conventional medicine and have used homeopathic medicine and are healthier than alot of people.Actually if any MD wants to go up against any ND for whatever reason in court,I think that he has to come up with lots of case studies showing that what he/she does is wrong and fooling the public.In the end you have to remember that it is the way he/she pays the bills and he can countersue the MD for defarmation of character or any other lawsuit.You are talking about thousands of naturopathic doctors who has medical education as well as holistic and years of experience.They have education in herbology as well as pharmacology and some of them further studies by getting phd's and devoting their lives to research and development.Obviously you cannot overdose anything.That is why you have to get advise from the correct person.You can read the labels of the products as well.Besides lots of herbal medicine are known for years to improve ppl's well being and have gotten improvements.I don't know what you mean by fooling ppl to believe that they are real doctors because they are real doctors ,medical doctors are another kind of doctor,infact there are many kinds of doctors.ND's have just about the same amount of years of even longer studies similar to medical doctors but the ND's have more knowledge of nutrition and health than any doctor.
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