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Old 11-18-2006, 09:49 PM
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Asian Ginseng: Lowering Blood Sugar and Increasing Mental Awareness

The scientific name for Asian ginseng is Panax ginseng. The active component is ginsenosides.

According to evidence based medicine, there is good scientific evidence to use Asian ginseng for diabetes type 2 and mental performance.

Ginseng (American ginseng, Asian ginseng, Chinese ginseng, Korean red ginseng, Panax ginseng: Panax spp. including P. ginseng C.C. Meyer and P. quincefolium L., excluding Eleutherococcus senticosus) - MayoClinic.com
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From the link you provided.

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These uses have been tested in humans or animals. Safety and effectiveness have not always been proven. Some of these conditions are potentially serious, and should be evaluated by a qualified healthcare provider.
Please post links to some valid studies that show it is proven effective.
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Please post links to some valid studies that show it is proven effective.
why?

he doesnt have to

it is not against the TOS

another bad moderator...
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why?

he doesnt have to

it is not against the TOS

another bad moderator...
Who said anything about moderation? This has nothing to do with being a moderator. Can't I ask a question? Jeez.....
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Who said anything about moderation? This has nothing to do with being a moderator. Can't I ask a question? Jeez.....
normally a question would have a question mark in it. you have none when you told him to post differently so, you didnt ask ANYTHING! you told him to post some "valid studies"

as such it implies a moderation role since you ARE for some sick reason a moderator
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No, I said "Please". In medicine, everything is backed up by facts. He even brings up evidence based medicine in his post. I am simply requesting he support his intial statement. He can either do that, or choose to ignore it. You are putting too much emphasis on the term "moderator".

Besides, the guy who made the original post is an "Administrator". That means he can erase my entire account, should he choose to do so. You have taken a potentially academic discussion an turned it into a tool for your own vendetta against moderators. Might I suggest you check out SDN? That seems to be where all the disgruntled VMD users go.
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No, I said "Please".

WOW!

i got an infraction for thaT??? HOW IS THAT FLAMING??? (note the question mark)

you are out of line. this is an abuse of power. i am not flaming here.
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No, I said "Please". In medicine, everything is backed up by facts. He even brings up evidence based medicine in his post. I am simply requesting he support his intial statement. He can either do that, or choose to ignore it. You are putting too much emphasis on the term "moderator".
No, i am putting emphasis on the term VALID, as you use it to "invalidate" the sources he gave. and you call that flaming. how sad.
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normally a question would have a question mark in it. you have none when you told him to post differently so, you didnt ask ANYTHING! you told him to post some "valid studies"

as such it implies a moderation role since you ARE for some sick reason a moderator
WOW!!!! this is worth an infraction from teratos, the SUPER moderator... i wasnt even given a warning. Just right to an infraction.
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Please post links to some valid studies that show it is proven effective.
I think grade B scientific evidence to use ginseng for mental performance and type 2 diabetes is good.

We followed B recommendations all the time in the clinic. For example, recommendation to screening for colorectal cancer with FOBT, sigmoidoscopy, or both received a B recommendation from USPSTF.

In the reference section, Vuksan V, Sievenpiper, and Koo Vy publised an article in the Arch of Internal Medicine in 2000 regarding the hypoglycemic effect of ginseng.

I use it all the time and it keeps me alert and excuses to eat more candies (to get my blood sugar up)

A recommendation = USPSTF strongly recommends that clinicians provide the service to eligible patients, based on good evidence that the service improves important health outcomes and that benefits substantially outweigh harms.
B recommendation = USPSTF recommends that clinicians provide the service to eligible patients, based on at least fair evidence that the service improves important health outcomes and that benefits outweigh harms.
C recommendation = USPSTF makes no recommendation for or against providing the service, based on at least fair evidence that the service can improve health outcomes but the balance of benefits and harms is too close to justify a general recommendation.
D recommendation = USPSTF recommends against routinely providing the service to asymptomatic patients, based on at least fair evidence that the service is ineffective or that harms outweigh benefits.
I recommendation = USPSTF concludes that the evidence is insufficient to recommend for or against routinely providing the service, based on evidence that is lacking, of poor quality, insufficient, or unable to determine the balance of benefits and harms.
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