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    USMLE Pass Rate

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    Anyone know the real USMLE pass rate? Thanks!
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    Pass Rates

    Pass rates can be calculated, by class, by first time taking, by calendar year, by overall pass rates by any of the above.....Ask a school it's pass rate and you can get a million answers. The much better question is where did your school match this year. Please take a look at where our grads matched that will speak to our pass rate BETTER than anything. I have posted the match several times. Look back a few pages and you will see the thread. Also pass rates change and fluctuate by class, by changes in professor by changes in techniques of teaching. Here at MUA we have started Daily review sessions in all subjects, study skills/test taking assessments and aid, Daily TA session and one on one help by adding more profs and more office hours. Most importantly we have live Comp Shelf review lectures for 6 weeks next year. I would match our pass rates next year against anyones. Truth be told if you really look the TRUTH is that if you go to one of the REPUTABLE schools with a genuine hard core program that has produced residents and results the pass rates are pretty similar despite what anyone says, again look at our match that will answer your questions. The pass rate is defined by the residency matches better than anything.

    MEDICAL UNIVERSITY OF THE AMERICAS-NEVIS



    MATCH 2008 SPECIALTIES



    FAMILY MEDICINE (26), INTERNAL MEDICINE (24), OB/GYN (1), PEDIATRICS (5)


    FAMILY MEDICINE (26)
    AHEC Northeast/University of Arkansas Medical School, Jonesboro, AR
    Baton Rouge General Medical Center Program, Baton Rouge, LA
    Carilion Clinic Program, Roanoke, VA
    East Jefferson General Hospital Program, Metairie, LA
    Floyd Medical Center Program, Rome, GA (2)
    Grand Rapids Med. Ed. And Res. Center/Michigan State Univ. Program, Grand Rapids, MI
    Jamaica Hospital Medical Center, Jamaica, NY
    Latrobe Area Hospital Program, Latrobe, PA
    Loyola University/Cook County Hospital Program, Chicago, IL (2)
    McGaw Med. Ctr. of Northwestern Univ. (Evanston) Program, Evanston, IL
    Medical College of Wisconsin Affiliated Hospitals (Racine) Program, Racine, WI
    Oakwood Annapolis Hospital, Wayne, MI
    Ohio State University Hospital Program, Columbus, OH
    Queens University, Kingston, ON, Canada
    Rapid City Regional Hospital Program, Rapid City, SD
    St. Joseph Hospital Program, Chicago, IL
    State University of New York, Buffalo, NY
    Sts. Mary & Elizabeth Med. Ctr. (St. Elizabeth Hospital) Program, Chicago, IL
    University of Colorado Denver Program, Denver, CO
    University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
    University of Oklahoma Family Med. Residency Program, Oklahoma City, OK
    University of Western Ontario, Canada
    University of Wyoming (Casper) Program, Casper, WY
    VA Commonwealth Univ.-Bon Secours (St. *******) Program, Midlothian, VA

    INTERNAL MEDICINE (24)
    Albany Medical Center Program, Albany, NY
    Brookdale University & Medical Center Program, Brooklyn, NY
    Forest Hills Hospital/North Shore/LIJ Health Care System, Forest Hills, NY
    Franklin Square Hospital Center Program, Baltimore, MD
    Griffin Hospital Program, Derby, CT
    Jewish Hospital of Cincinnati Program, Cincinnati, OH
    Louisiana State University Program, New Orleans, LA (3)
    New York Medical College (Brooklyn-Queens) Program, Jamaica, NY
    Ochsner Clinic Foundation Program, New Orleans, LA (3)
    Roger Williams Medical Center Program, Providence, RI (2)
    Seton Hall Univ. School of Graduate Medical Education (St. *******) Program, Trenton, NJ
    Southern Illinois University, Springfield, IL
    Staten Island University Hospital, Staten Island, NY
    Texas Tech University, TX
    University of Illinois College of Medicien at Peoria Program, Peoria, IL
    University of Louisville Program, Louisville
    University of Mississippi, Jackson, MS
    Wayne State Univ./Detroit Medical Center Program, Detroit, MI
    Winthrop - University Hospital Program, Mineola, NY

    OBSTETRICS AND GYNECOLOGY (1)
    Wayne State Univ./Detroit Medical Center Program, Detroit, MI

    PEDIATRICS (5)
    Memorial Health University Medical Center, Savannah, GA
    Pitt County Memorial Hospital, East Carolina Univ. Program, Greenville, NC
    University of Florida College of Medicine Jacksonville Program, Jacksonville, FL
    University of Mississippi, Jackson, MS
    West Virginia University Program, Morgantown, WV

    PSYCHIATRY (2)
    Louisiana State University (Shreveport) Program, Shreveport, LA
    Queens University, Kingston, ON, Canada

    SURGERY - GENERAL (6)
    Jewish Hospital of Cincinnati Program, Cincinnati, OH (2)
    Ochsner Clinic Foundation Program, New Orleans
    St. Elizabeth Health Center/NEOUCOM, Youngstown, OH
    University of Saskatchewan, Canada
    Waterbury Hospital Health Center, Waterbury, CT

    NEUROSURGERY (2)
    University of Texas Southwestern Medical School Program, Dallas, TX
    University of Toronto, Canada

    ANESTHESIOLOGY (1)
    Henry Ford Hospital Program, Detroit, MI

    EMERGENCY MEDICINE (1)
    Case Western Reserve University (MetroHealth) Program, Cleveland, OH

    PATHOLOGY (3)
    Hartford Hospital Program, Hartford, CT
    Memorial University in Newfoundland, Canada
    Univ. of Tennessee Medical Center @ Knoxville Program, Knoxville, TN

    TRANSITIONAL YEAR (1)
    Sinai Grace Hospital/Wayne State University, Detroit, Mich
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    First time pass rate

    ACTUALLY....the FIRST TIME pass rate is what you should care about, NOT residency...since your placement of residency will be strongly based on your USMLE STEP 1 FIRST TIME PASS RATE. Tell it straight MUA Admin.

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    Thats what I was thinking as well. The first time USMLE pass rate is probably the best indication on how the school is doing. Am I right? of course the student is responsible for studying, but nonetheless the school is just as important.
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    It has A LOT to do with the student. The teaching here at MUA for the most part teaches you everything you need to know. There are many excellent professors here; notably, Dr. Last (med genetics), Dr. D (neuro), Dr. Samir (anatomy although I think he does not teach most of it anymore just a block or so), Dr. Arya (path), Dr. Akhbar (pharm), Dr. Ishmael and Dr. Beaty (PD), to name a few. The reason why first time pass rates are sometimes low here is because some students prior to december 08 would cheat A LOT and people had their hands on the kaplan post-test exam so people cheated on that as well so the predictive capability of the kaplan post-test lost all its validity. People who should've failed the post-test did great but then failed on their first attempt of Step1. As of Jan 08 and beyond the dean put a stop to all this cheating non-sense and put in place the comprehensive exma which students DO NOT have access to so there is no way to cheat. The comprehensive exam has much more better predictive ability to pass step 1 on the first attempt and is valid. Thos studnets who pass the comprehensive should pass on their first attempt while those who fail are not allowed to write step 1 and must repeat the comprehensive until they pass. That is what they do at SGU as well.

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    Passing Rates

    You are highly unlikely to get an accurate passing rate from any school that you ask (including most US medical schools). This is in part because the actual rate is always changing, in part because all schools want to present themselves as near perfect educating machines with 100% first time pass rates, and in part because a student's score on the USMLE is private information.

    The only real thing that matters in the end for students is whether you will become the physician that you want to become. What you will find is that legitimate schools produce legitimate graduates, and THAT reflects the whole process- from Basic Sciences all the way through clinicals. The legitimate schools (like MUA) will provide you with the tools needed to pass the USMLE at the highest score you can achieve and get your through 3rd and 4th year training that lets you place in a fine residency. Matches are (or should be) public information from all schools (acceptances are posted on the web by the residencies), and are the point of comparison that is available.

    Pass rate data is not available to anyone on the island right now, and speculation is poor idea. There are students earning over 220 on their first attempt (I heard from 2 this week) and there are students who scrape by. There are enough students earning high scores to indicate to anyone that the tools are available here. The question is how hard you study, how dedicated you are, and whether you are willing to make the sacrifice.
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    "ACTUALLY....the FIRST TIME pass rate is what you should care about, NOT residency...since your placement of residency will be strongly based on your USMLE STEP 1 FIRST TIME PASS RATE. Tell it straight MUA Admin."
    John 84

    I totally agree with John84 so therefore our match is STRAIGHT out the BEST proxy for what our first time pass rate is. Our grads would never have gotten these great placements if our first time pass rates were not up to par. The day every other school in the Carib has a big three auditing company come down and audit their pass rates we will be happy to provide the info re ours. No school does for a very good reason. They are not as high as US first time pass rates and they are private proprietary information and nobody wants to be compared that way because they are always changing and some schools use self reporting (students are not rquired to tell the school their score or even if they took it) and others do not so some schools look artificially higher and nobody knows the wiser!. If we didnt have relatively excellent first time pass rates we wouldnt have gotten the match we did!!! I agree with John 84. and the Match speaks to our excellence of teaching and the excellence of our students performance.
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    I would NOT say MUA's first time pass rate is excellent. Be careful with your words....but at the same time it is predominantly up to the student. The school does provide you with all the tools and the kaplan books in med5 are a confirmation that you have learned most of the material required to pass step1. Also, with the comprehensive exam with its good validity and predicitive capability, I do believe the first time pass rate will continue to increase. Moreover, the first time pass rates really looking at each class' first time pass rate is only limited as well. I mean a school could have a 95% first time pass rate but who knows you might be part of the 5% that does not pass the first time. In contrast, a school could have a 20% pass rate, and maybe you will be part of the 20% that does pass the first time. It really is up to the individual but it is hard to understand that when you are not in medical school yet and are a prospective student. You have so little to go by so I sympathize with prospective studnts because I have been in their situatino before. BOTTOM LINE FOR STUDENTS: DON'T CHEAT! You cheat yourselves only because on step1 you cannot cheat that is impossible. Cheating catches up with you..
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    Relatively

    Thats why I qualified the excellent as relatively. Relative enough to get our grads 2 neurosurgery spots and anesthesia!!!!!
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    Agony and the Ecstasy

    Why do students come to medical school in the Caribbean? I've always been fascinated with the reasons. Although many of the students at MUA are identical to the students I taught in medical school in America, there is a wider diversity and range. In the US, frequently applicants who could be fine physicians were often rejected because of tiny or inconsequential reasons. If you are looking at a large applicant pool (averaging nearly 4.0 with excellent MCAT scores, letters of recommendation, and extraordinary experience) with 10 students for every spot to be filled, it becomes hard to pay attention to anything but extreme numbers in GPA and MCAT. Most rejected applicants give up the dream and drift into other things. Some don't give up and either keep applying until they get in to the school of their choice or look elsewhere-- like the Caribbean. As a result we have an interesting body of students. Very bright (I have met very few people here who don't possess the raw intellectual power to complete medical school), diverse in ages and background (a lot of nurses, paramedics, dentists, chiropractors, physician assistants), and life experiences. Frankly, it's an interesting and energizing lot. Most go on to rewarding and wonderful careers of which they would have otherwise been deprived. But everyone who comes gets the chance to succeed and gets the resources needed for success. This is why we are so proud of our alumni page and why we think it is so important. People come, people study, people go on to the next level, people become physicians. There are a lot of names on the pages, and each one is a brick in the wall of legitimacy.

    Medical school is a painful process, and in the end it is up to the student. The question that this thread seems to be struggling with, is can MUA get you where you want to go? Part is up to you; can you handle putting everything (EVERYTHING) about your life on hold for 20 months while you do nothing (NOTHING) except devote every minute to learning? Part of it is also up to the school. Are the teachers good enough? Is the curriculum well designed? Are there cadavers in gross anatomy and microscopes in histology? Are there faculty who have been trained and have taught in American (or Canadian) medical schools? (You can get the answers to all these easily enough- BTW- the answer is a resounding "yes" here at MUA)

    It's not just enough to be here-- you don't write a check and get a diploma. School is hard and demanding (you'll hate most of the faculty at some time or another)-- it has to be.

    Have a good break, read ahead a little for next semester. If you are booking your flights for next semester remember that you can't leave before the last day of finals!
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