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Old 06-02-2004, 09:17 PM
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Old 06-03-2004, 12:04 PM
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Improvement

OK...............

What improvement? they just opened 2 weeks ago. Hell I have seen improvements at St. James since I been here. Also, MD2 class for the most part isn't complaining. Only 1 or 2 From MD1 and they complain about everything.

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Done on its own

Edited on its own...last thing we want is an advertising ploy on any of these....
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Old 06-03-2004, 01:23 PM
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after five weeks...

The new school is probably gonna have...working towards... trying to....maybe will have... should have... But after five weeks... DON'T! Hopefully they will though someday . And as far as professors are concerned, EVERYONE on the island knows that the new school propositioned MANY of the professors of SJSM multiple times, even at their homes. So yes the new school made a great effort to take away as much as they could from SJSM (students and professors alike) in order to try to get ahead, but we are still going strong on a daily basis. And the rumors the new school have been spreading about SJSM are a little on the shady side also, but I guess that's how the new school plans to make a name for itself (try eliminate the competition by any means necessary)..... P.S. Big wigs from Chicago have responded to our concerns and have squashed many of those rumors quickly!!!
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Old 06-03-2004, 01:52 PM
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Xavier's list of pending improvements are abundant.

You will see this in the fall. They are going to have things in the fall that Saint James will probably never have. Xavier was established to be another SABA, a school that gains NY approval, not a school like Spartan that will sit for a lifetime with students unable to practice in certain states.

So maybe Saint James isn't that bad frankenstone, like I said, they have changes to make and their administration needs to stop burning bridges with students and with their faculty.

Come on, everyone has felt that when they've gotten to Bonaire, Saint James has sort of abandoned them and all the promises they were assured just kind of blew away in the sand. Xavier simply doesn't make promises that they aren't going to keep, and that is the reason why students and faculty left. Not because there is more money. Xavier is going to have an outstanding USMLE step 1 pass rate, this is because there are very strict guidelines for their students (80% attend, dress codes, review courses, GRADED exams) - Saint James is not there yet, and maybe they should be.

Both schools can survive on the island, its not the locals that go there. As for now, Xavier has displayed a high degree of class, and their academic future is promising. Saint James looks like they are going to make improvements, and thus, its better for both schools. A standard needs to be set Frankenstone. You need to be able to walk to Xavier and see that they are working on such and such a model or their library looks a certain way and you need to walk back to Saint James and ask yourself, "why doesn't our library have any books, or why do our instructors not care about teaching?" This comes from the top down. The administration in Chicago needs to stop worrying about who is calling, and if they might be a "spy from another med school" and start giving orders down to their faculty to teach their students. Xavier is setting a standard, they have every right to do this, this is common in academia.

Xavier knows there is a long road to gain approvals from the boards of the difficult states, but they will do it. Their facility improvements, use of state of the practice medical models, and their office is extremely focused on this goal.

Therefore, if Xavier does all this, Saint James will follow. It might be a domino affect. Thus, the schools can help each other, its only for the benefit of the students. Its a reference of where the other school should be. If you don't know if what you're doing is current medical practice, simply walk down the street and see what the other might be doing differently. For now, Saint James is trying to figure out which students are backstabbing them rather than **** sitting down and figuring out how to improve his school (or business operation as he might see it). Their office in Chicago has a statement that they actually read when you ask them about these angry students on the ValueMD forum. This is not the State Department!! These are students afraid to lose their money by attending your school. Saint James will not give assurances that their funds are secure and the school will remain entact.

Xaiver and Saint James can both remain on the island, in peace and harmony. Does Xavier have some former Saint James profs and students? Yes. That is the fault of Saint James. It means things need to change, and probably from the top down. The students at Saint James have no blame in any of this, it starts in Chicago and travels to Bonaire. So Xaiver should certainly be looked at by Saint James students as a new precedent to be set. One call to their office, or one visit to their administration and you will feel completely different about the school. They really have a plan, and its not a promise, I mean, their plan is backed by references, and you can actually their sources actually check out.

Thus, Saint James needs to quit wasting time trying to figure out which student is writing about them and start figuring out how to create a better medical school that will give graduates the ability to one day practice in all 50 states. Xavier is already doing that, and with action, not with words....

Oh, come on... This looks like a marketing spin.

How can a mere student know what is really happening in the upper echelon of Xavier management? Or know the future of Xavier?

Anyways, most people should know by now NOT to pick a school based on future promises.
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What?

Did the earth start spinning the other way! I agree with dt!!! Ok...where's the camera?
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Marketing plan

Maybe...

But, when you got the eyes, and ears, and talk to staff, faculties, and owners of both school, you can catch on quick.

Shabir told us that he gives our School (SJSM) up to 2006, to close down, when students from St. James (Bonaire, not transfers) don't make it into residency, or don't meet the State requirements to practice (ie because of their licensure requirements for the Canadians, immigration, and Pre-Med education, or not passing USMLE) it will fall.

I see it happening now.
Pre-Med---I don't know the numbers.
MD1 13 students left after two weeks of arrival
MD2 8 students left (most went to Xaviers)
MD3 18 students left (transferred out, some to Xaviers, some went back home)
MD4 2 students left (went to Xaviers)
Don't just take my word for it....
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Not exactly!!!!

Caribmed, you are fibbing a little too much. I don't want to say you are telling lies, but I think you are misinformed. The professor that left never said things like this school is gonna close or we are gonna have problems with residencies, because he always encouraged us and always talked of how much we should know in order to pass USLMEs and get through residency. Also, a classmate of mine was good friends with him and his wife, and can tell everyone that he never would discourage anyone like that because he was a very good guy (not to mention a VERY knowledgible CT Surgeon). Please don't tell people wrong information like that. It kinda takes away from the great professor that we know he was, and tarnishes his image. And if you did really talk with him like that, why don't you mention how many times the new school came to his house at night and how much money the new school offered him to leave SJSM and teach over there? He talked to me and my classmates many times about that. He stayed because he felt it would be unethical of him to be swayed by money. But don't take my word for it (even though it is true), that Doctor is the only one who would be able to confirm the truth (that I just told you).
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Shabir is an outstanding professor, truly a rare find, but, he talks way too much for his own good. He told our class that he wasn't going to go anywhere because he had some 5K that **** had owed him, including plane tickets, and fees for his wife, who worked for the library so hard last semester, and the beginning of this semester. Also, he talked with the lawyer, and found out that with the contract he had with ****, which stated that he could not work anywhere within 50 miles of St. James, would be in effect (this was the contract that all the teachers had to sign if they were going to have an office with a computer, in the new building...everyone except Gil and Baily signed). To make the long story short, I heard, that Shabir was going to the other school, but he couldn't go because too many other people knew of his transfer, and some of the Xaviar students were influencing his move there, and whether he signed the contract with Xaviar or not, I don't know, but, all I know is that he wrote me an email yesterday, he is in Toronto, and happy with his wife, who plans to take a nursing exam this next week, and he is offered a position in Kentucky as a CT surgeon....I guess that was the reason he never went to Xaviar. PM me for his email address, speak to the man yourself if you care. But, I know what I am talking about....and accuracy is a trait for me to become a future surgeon, I can't afford to make a mistake.

Shabir really had nothing to gain for all the extra classes that he taught during lunch. He just wanted us to be doctors. He always told us, that the ultimate thing, was for us to get out of here, and take our USMLE, and that was all that matters. Trust me, he had nothing positive to say about the school.

Funny, Shabir was the one that told me that our school will have licensing issues. Ask anyone in our class. He showed me the AAIMG site. And told me that the school will not last so long.


We knew it was coming.....way before any of you all did. He was just freaked out about the former professors not getting paid, or did you not know about that? I was suprised, he didn't leave sooner, or at least tell his closest friends that he was going to be leaving that Tuesday Morning. Well in case you didn't, **** has a bad habit of holding on to staff member's checks. This is not rumor, which was one of the reasons the Dr. Gil left, I believe they never paid him either. You know that he has the money to pay the staff. We are all paying students, why not just pay the staff with the money they made from us?

I can back up everything I write in this post.
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