AAIMG unmasked--some info for those who wonder

[azskeptic]

Well, at their corporate office you find:

http://www.bioskincare.com/policy.htm

Andes Natural - Bio Skin Care

Certified Seller Safe, Honest, & Guaranteed:



1802 North Carson St. Suite 212, Carson City, Nevada 89701, USA

Phone 1-702-947-0567 Fax 775-201 0294

No one answers the phone.


also

http://rosehipoil.com/

http://abate-stretch-marks.com/

http://abateit.com/

What's my guess? well, these people are from Chile I think.....trying to think of a connection? maybe they are consumer advocates? who knows...I'll have a friend of mine go and visit them and find out the story with a digital picture.

az skeptic

[Miklos]

I suggest that you do a Google search on 1802 North Carson Street Suite 212; you will find 945 listings, some relevant, some not.

The four numbers that follow Suite 212 are far more interesting. It seems that there are any number of organizations using the Suite 212-XXXX address. This makes me suspect that it is more like a private post box (like Mailboxes, but a little more prestigious); so that the organization can retain a degree of anonymity.

[azskeptic]

The corporate registration for AAIMG is as follows:

Name: ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN INTERNATIONAL MEDICAL GRADUATES

Type: Corporation File Number: C21961-1999 State: NEVADA Incorporated On: September 07, 1999
Status: Current list of officers on file Corp Type: Regular
Resident Agent: VAL-U-CORP SERVICES, INC. (Accepted)
Address: 1802 N CARSON ST.
#212
CARSON CITY NV 89701-
President: THOMAS MOORE, MD
Address: 1802 N CARSON ST STE 212

CARSON CITY NV 89701-
Secretary: SARAH WEINSTEIN
Address: 1802 N CARSON ST STE 212

CARSON CITY NV 89701-
Treasurer: RACHAEL SILVER
Address: 1802 N CARSON ST STE 212

CARSON CITY NV 89701-

The address is a registration office for corporations. However, it does mean that these names are probably correct because registering yourself as an officer with a fake name would be a felony in Nevada..you have to have notarized signatures,etc.

There are many Dr. Thomas Moore's in the US but I haven't found one that was an international graduate yet.

[pitman]

DNS lookup on aaimg.com:

Domain Name: AAIMG.COM
Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
Whois Server: whois.godaddy.com
Referral URL: http://registrar.godaddy.com
Name Server: NS0.XNAME.ORG
Name Server: NS5.SPB.RU
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 19-nov-2003
Creation Date: 02-nov-1999
Expiration Date: 02-nov-2006


Note the Russian DNS -- doesn't have to be, but is a good indication that the organization/owner is in Russia.

[Miklos]

In this day and age of global telecommunications, anyone can host anywhere...

(This is the reason that so many back office positions have 'migrated' to places like India.)

Just because the name server is in Russia, does not mean that the organization is. A friend of mine from the US set up his on-line website through a Serbian company, simply for reasons of cost. The Serbs were 50% cheaper than the American ones. His whois lookup is similar.

So, until someone identifies Thomas Moore MD or the others listed on the site and the papers of incorporation, we will not know who they are.

I, for one, am willing to take them at face value, though some of the information on the site is dated or the result of a single encounter with the given school. However, their basic message: "Check out the school in person and unsupervised" remains (IMHO) valid.

[pitman]

As I said, the site doesn't have to be, but is likely Russian. Sure, one can register anywhere, but to go out of the way to get a .ru DNS is counterproductive. One can be just as secretive yet appear less shady by registering in the US, EU, etc.

The cost to register is trivial anywhere, and about the same as the site is still .com.

-pitman

[Miklos]

it is simply a technical question. The guy that sets up the site is a Russian, and he is familiar with a Russian DNS because all his other clients get to use it by default as well, so he assigns it to his new client (aaimg).

I simply do not see how you can use that to link ownership. The papers of incorporation, on the other hand, are pretty solid evidence with regards to who is behind the site for legal reasons (both for VAL-U-CORP as well as the incorporated).

[pitman]

Not a technical question, is a behavioral one.

I'm not questioning the legal corp. registration location. I couldn't care less about that, I'd be far more interested in from where the parties of interest have arisen! My point about the DNS is that connections are not made randomly. The Russian connection is not a coincidence. You are more likely to attribute it to some cost-effective measure, I am more inclined to see it as a fair indication of social or economic relationship with Russian interests. Has to do with how we view behavior on a *probabilistic* level. Mine arises from my experience in Web development and behaviorism, yours from your own experience.

-pitman

[Miklos]

So what conclusions do you draw from "the Russian connection"?

[Miklos]

If we do a whois lookup on http://registrar.godaddy.com we find that the technical and administrative contact is:


Registrant: AAIMG
1802 N. Carson Street
Carson City, Nevada 89701
United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: AAIMG.COM
Created on: 02-Nov-99
Expires on: 02-Nov-06
Last Updated on: 19-Nov-03
Administrative Contact:
Demkin, Andrew
demkin@hotmail.com
60, Moika emb. apt.33
Saint-Petersburg, 90000
RUS +7 812 3147397
Fax -- +7 812 3147397
Technical Contact:
Demkin, Andrew
demkin@hotmail.com
60, Moika emb. apt.33
Saint-Petersburg, 90000
RUS +7 812 3147397
Fax -- +7 812 3147397
Domain servers in listed order:
NS5.SPB.RU
NS0.XNAME.ORG

A google search on Andrew Demkin returns the following pages:

http://www.nausoft.net/eng/ which lists that "Dr. Andrew Demkin founded company in 1997 as a research and software development facility. The main offices are located in Fresno, CA U.S.A. Hamburg, Germany and in Saint Petersburg, Russia."


http://www.sennaya.com/private/ which seems to indicate that he is a manager for "Sennaya Square Apartment in Historic Saint Petersburg, Russia"

I would be curious if anyone could find out more...