mexico medical school's

[iuemhotep]

Is there any good medical school's in mexico other than UAG?
What about in Reynosa or Juarez etc. ?

[ResearchingGuy]

I don't recall the exact name. There is a public school and a private school in Monterrey. Both are supposed to be good, but one is better than the other and both are cheap (at least they used to be). You must be FLUENT in Spanish and be very flexible in terms of time and culture. I know this only from Dr. Carlos Pestana's book (updated about 8? years ago), but it seemed good when he said it.

Please let me know what you find out.


Best of Luck!

[azskeptic]

there are some reviews at

http://www.aaimg.com/

Before anyone starts on me, I realize that aaimg is a mysterious organization and some theorize that it is done by an offshore competitor..who knows..but you have to admit they are fairly right on with their analysis of schools. So if they are doing it for a vested interest,it is fairly straight anyway.

az skeptic p.s. I have corresponded with their staff in the past and they do respond to questions..just slowly like many websites

[jenn-jenn]

aaimg.com DONT BASH THE MESSAGE because you dont like the messengers modus operandi!

There are seceral lengthy articles online that criticize the methodology of AAIMG in crediting or classifying Carribean and other offshore medical schools; and no one can argue with these criticisms.

However, no honest person who has been to a proper Medical school, can really disagree with the content of the organizations mission statement,or its article entitled AAIMG'S WORDS OF WISDOM TO PROSPECTIVE INTERNATIONAL MEDICAL SCHOOL APPLICANTS. All of the ideals articulated in these documents are those that we all should be interested in, as students, educators and parents. The advice in "words of wisdom" are very sound and can not at all be questioned. It is indeed as advertised "the Best Advice You Will Ever Receive" as a prospective medical student. All of the facts about the messengers of AAIMG, does not at all affect the message of this article. I believe that the information in this article should be put out to the general public, so that parents, prospectice strudents, and all involved in assisting prospective students to chose a medical school abroad will be well informed. The only persons who can have any disagreement with this article, are those schools running programs where the deficiencies highlighted in this article are very evident. These include schools with poor faculty, library, lab and classroom facilities, schools who are basically all flashy catalog or all flashy internet site, schools with inadequte staffing levels or of poor quality, schools which have a rapid staff turnover, schools who do not have their teaching staff full-time and in residence.schools which have no permanent, fully functioning campus but merely rent temporary facilities, schools that have substandard basic science campuses and guarantee clerkship rotations in the United States, or those where the duration of the Doctor of Medicine program is less than 38 months or that permit students not to be full-time in attendance at the campus, but rather requires that students be present only 6-8 weeks, while placing them on directed study back in the United States.

Similarly perusal of the Admission/Recruiting Practices suggested by AAIMG are sound and reasonable to any reasonable person who is not in breach with the listed requirements. What is wrong with a published current catalog that accurately represents the medical school program, composition of the faculty, clerkship training sites and campus facilities? This is required and done by the American schools on the mainland.What is wrong with mandating that there be clearly defined admission criteria ? Or that the school does not grant advanced placement to physician assistants, chiropractors, podiatrists, nurse practitioners, or other applicants with allied health backgrounds.

With respect to the Basic Science Curriculum requirements what is wrong with the need that there be accurate course descriptions with credit and semester hours calculated for each course and listed in the school catalog, or that students be physically present at the basic science campus for the entire term with the exception of semester breaks or school vacations, as is the case at normal schools? What is wrong with the need that there be no component of the curriculum done by distance learning or that there be shortened basic science terms that allow the student to return home for self-study. Why should consumers not expect that there be clearly stated goals and objectives for each course and a detailed syllabus with evaluation criteria available to the student and teacher at the beginning of each term.

Is it not reasonable to expect any school campus to be physically located in the country that authorized its listing by the World Health Organization? Is it not reasonable for campuses to be permanent with sufficient classrooms, labs, and equipment to meet the needs of the student body? Should it not be the norm that at medical schools minimum lab requirements should include a gross anatomy lab with cadaver dissection, a microbiology lab, and a separate microscope lab for pathology and histology? Should it not be the norm that there be gross pathological specimens available , and an adequate medical library area with a book and periodical collection that meets the minimum standards of a small medical school?

Surely modern medical schools everywhere will have permanent, chaired faculty committees meeting regularly around curriculum, disciplinary, academic advancement and campus safety issues. Surely there will be sufficient experienced, full-time, qualified faculty to teach each course in the curriculum. Surely full time faculty member will be in residence at the site of the basic science campus, and there will be a minimum reliance on part-time or visiting faculty.Surely each basic science division will have a qualified, designated chair or director, and faculty members are not expected to cover more than 2 courses or teach out of their areas of expertise.

What is wrong with any of the requirements set out by AAIMG that are practiced by all bona fide medical schools worldwide? The only Medical School administrators or students who can not accept these criteria are those who are running improper schools. All these requirements are assumed to be in order by those of us who went to medical school. I have taught in two of these offshore schools and was appalled to see that most of the established norms are nonexistent and apparently unknown by the administration of these schools.

WE MUST NOT BASH THE AAIMG MESSAGE BECAUSE THERE ARE DEFFECTS IN THE MESSAGE. THE MESSAGE IS CRYSTAL CLEAR AND NECESSARY FOR THE ESTABLISHING OF PROPER MEDICAL SCHOOLS.
I would urge all prospective students and parents to look for these criteria in the med school that you choose. I would beg the Medical Boards, ECFMG, AMA to have these criteria listed on the AAIMG website to be enshrined in all the constitutions of all offshore schools as a working guide, to regulate the running of thier schools. It is unfair and hard to put the responsibility on the prospective student to ask questions and determine the legitimacy of a school. It is hard for a student to know unless he uses criteria like those put out by AAIMG. Such criteria must be made available to all prospective students. PERHAPS IT CAN BE MADE MANDATORY THAT SUCH CRITERIA BE PROVIDED WITH THE APPLICATION FORMS GIVEN OUT BY THE ADMISSIONS OFFICES OF EVERY SCHOOL.
Notice again that I have not endorsed AAIMG's classification of any Med School, but no one can fail to endorse the principles that they have so well enunciated. AAIMG lists a number of schools which are acceptable, and a number with multiple, serious deficiencies. The truth of the matter, is that, who ever these evaluators be, that thier findings mirror the general sentiments of those who have written regularly on these fora. The schools that AAIMG deem satisfactory are the ones with the glowing reports. The schools that AAIMG deem un satisfactory are those which we see the most unsavoury comments about.
It seems to me that a wise thing might be for ECFMGE, the STATE BOARDS and AMA unanimously adopt these standards for all medical schools, and employ one or two doctors to police the offshore schools by a system of unannounced but regular visits. Such "police" should report back to the ECFMGE, the STATE BOARDS and AMA after each visit, and should encourage each school to strive towards the accepted norm.
At this point in time all of the internet correspondence type schools graduates should be deemed unlicensable. This may seem to be a harsh measure, but at some time ECFMGE, the STATE BOARDS and AMA must get tough, and really start to ensure that a proper standard of medical education be a requirement of all those who will practice medicine in the USA. These organizations must start doing a better job of protecting the people of the United States. Similarly they should demand that malpractice insurance not be granted to physicians who chose to train at the internet correspondence type schools.
What ever you think there is a need for an independant organization of repute and integrity with an accountable administration that meets with all US state medical licensing boards to determine a minimum standard of medical education. This organization should articulate a set of requirements that each school has to meet- I like AAIMG's standards.This organization should investigate the schools regularly and report to ECFMGE, the STATE BOARDS and AMA.

Schools that wish to be placed on their "approved" list should subscribe to, and invite the organization to evaluate their school. A thorough investigation would be done into all aspects of the school and each criteria on AAIMG's list of standards be assessed. Only graduates of assessed schools should be eligible for ECFMG certification and licensure.Regular, periodic and random checks on the school to access the schools performance should be carried out; and schools whose performance has deteriorated suspended.