My medical schools ranking

[ecoli]

Here is my medical school rankings

The four oldest schools with federal financial aids (any orders)
AUC, Ross, SGU, UAG

The next seven medical schools in any orders
UNIBE (has federal student loans), Saba, St. Matthews, MUA, Spartan, St. Christopher, West Indies

The rest why go to these schools
UTESA, CAHSU, PBU, St. James, St. Mary, AISOM, Grace, Windsor, IUHS, Antigua, Grace


Peace,


Another ranking by **** below.
My CARIBBEAN MEDICAL SCHOOL RANKING:

Group 1:

1. St. George (Grenada): www.sgu.edu
2. Saba (Saba): www.saba.org
3. AUC (St Martin): www.aucmed.edu
4. Ross (Dominica): www.rossmed.edu
5. UAG (Mexico): http://members.tripod.com/UAGstudents,
www.uag.edu
6. U.W.I. (West Indies): www.trinidad.net/uwimedsc, http://isis.uwimona.edu.jm
7. Spartan (St Lucia): www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Grounds/5401,
8. UNIBE (Dominican Republic): www.unibe.edu.do
9. UTESA (Dominican Republic): http://utesa.edu
10. St. Matthew's (Belize): www.stmatthews.edu

Group 2:
(Other International Medical schools with a simliar set-up as the Caribbean Medical schools):

Here is my ranking of these:

1. UAG (Mexico): http://members.tripod.com/UAGstudents, www.uag.edu
2. St. Matthew's (Belize): www.stmatthews.edu
3. CAHSU (Belize): www.belizemedcol.edu
4. American ISOM (Guyana): www.aism.edu
5. St. Mary's (Cook Islands): www.stmarysmedicalschool.com

Group 3:
Others (recently established - too new to rank):

Univ. of Aruba (Aruba): www.aruba.edu, www.inc.com/users/UnivOfAruba.html
MUA (Nevis): www.medicaluniversity.org
Univ. of Sint Eustasia (St Eustasia): www.eustatiusmed.org

Group 4:
Do not touch with a ten foot pole:

Grace (St Kitts): www.grace-usom.org
Windsor (Turks): www.windsor.edu
St. Johns (Montserrat): www.itgworld.com/stjohns/stjohnsMed.html
IUHS (St Kitts): www.iuhs.edu
Antigua (Antigua): www.jalypso.com/uhsa
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Here is a little about each school and why I ranked them as such:

Group 1:
1. St. George (Grenada): www.sgu.edu
No doubt, the best in the Caribbean. You get can all your clinicals in the same city! And they are all at ACGME accredited teaching hospitals. The school makes their students write a SGU basic science comprehensice exam. Only the students who pass that area allowed to sit for the USMLE Step 1.
Licensure in every state!

2. Saba (Saba): www.saba.org
I really don't know much about this school, sorry . . .just kidding!
I kid with my classmates by calling Saba "quality medical education, at a discount price". It always gets laughs. But seriously though, you have to give the school credit for their record of success. Even if you frown upon the boredom of the small island, the larger picture (clinicals, residency) with this school is excellent. That's why I am here.

3. AUC (St Martin): www.aucmed.edu
Yes, they have bounced back from the volcano on Montserrat, and yes they got back there WHO listing. But the school still sends students to England and Ireland for clinicals, because they accept way more students than they have U.S. clinical spots for. 220 will start in Sept 2000.

4. Ross (Dominica): www.rossmed.edu
Basically, if you can get to clinicals, your set. But getting to clinicals without failing is another story.
With an attrition rate that is almost hard to believe, this school's basic science program is really a horrifying experience for most.

5. UAG (Mexico): http://members.tripod.com/UAGstudents
Been around a long time! You will probably meet atleast one UAG grag during your clinicals or residency.
Does anyone know a better web site for this school?

6. U.W.I. (West Indies): www.trinidad.net/uwimedsc
Good school offering an M.B.B.S. degree (equivalent to M.D.). But designed to train people in the Caribbean, so it's not really an off-shore med school.

7. Spartan (St Lucia): www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Grounds/5401
Been around since 1980, so they have a track record. But Spartan only has a 20% USMLE pass rate. They cram all their courses into four semesters with no review course, and you have you set up your own clinicals.
Here's another URL: http://campus.fortunecity.com/colleg...anmed13003.htm

8. UNIBE (Dominican Republic): www.unibe.edu.do
9. UTESA (Dominican Republic): http://utesa.edu
These two schools require Spanish. All four years are done on the island. You need to know Spanish, to get through your clinicals in the Dominican Republic, otherwise you won't be able to undertand your patients.

10. St. Matthew's (Belize): www.stmatthews.edu
Only three semesters in Belize then the rest in the U.S.! Sounds great right? Well. . .

Group 2:
(Other International Medical schools with a simliar set-up as the Caribbean Medical schools):

Here is my ranking of these:
1. UAG (Mexico): http://members.tripod.com/UAGstudents
see above

2. St. Matthew's (Belize): www.stmatthews.edu
see above

3. CAHSU (Belize): www.belizemedcol.edu
I really don't know the true story here so I won't comment

4. American ISOM (Guyana): www.aism.edu
Just started, and I really don't know much about it

5. St. Mary's (Cook Islands): www.stmarysmedicalschool.com
What a disaster. Opened up in Hawaii and offered an M.D. in three years with a semester tuition of only $1700.
Got kicked out of Hawaii (can't have a foreign medical school on U.S. soil)
Went to Cook Islands, and are apparently having problems there too.

Group 3:
Others (recently established - too new to rank):

Univ. of Aruba (Aruba): www.aruba.edu
Is this school new? I really don't think so because University of Aruba has been around since like the 1960's. Or maybe I'm mistaken.

MUA (Nevis): www.medicaluniversity.org
See any similarities to Saba?

Univ. of Sint Eustasia (St Eustasia): www.eustatiusmed.org
I am not causing any trouble on the forum by commenting on this school

Group 4:
Do not touch with a ten foot pole:

Windsor (Turks): www.windsor.edu
St. Johns (Montserrat): www.itgworld.com/stjohns/stjohnsMed.html
Grace (St Kitts): www.grace-usom.org
IUHS (St Kitts): www.iuhs.edu
Antigua (Antigua): www.jalypso.com/uhsa

Windsor, St. John's and Grace don't have a WHO listing, so students cannot get licensed anywhere.
IUHS is a distance (or PBL) learning program where students lack the required time in residence to qualify for licensure in any state in the US.
Antigua has not had any graduates since 1993.

Well there you have it!
Enjoy!!
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[MrAnderson]

thanks

[soopa]

could you comment on Ross 's ranking with regard to the attrition rate? i'm talking about the new grading system like US medical schools....many Ross students have told me this fail out business has gotten a lot better but it only started recently. do you have any info?

[circus]

You obviously don't know what you are talking about... Windsor is WHO listed, and I took the USMLE Step 2 through Windsor (ECFMG requires WHO listing to be eligible for any of the USMLE examinations). I don't care to comment about Grace or Antigua... I have no idea of those... but all it would have taken for you to get accurate information is to go to the WHO website for listed world medical schools and you would have been able to get the information on Windsor.

It's admirable that you want to list and rank schools. However, the most responsible thing you could do is to at least double check your information. It's not that hard to verify most of the facts.

[circus]

Again, you must not have done any work on your list at all - which means that you are probably an administrator for one of those "top ranked" schools. Here are some of the major problems:

You have Saba and Ross ranked above UWI... are you nuts? UWI is a true regional university, the university of the west indies... with campus' in Barbados, Trinidad, Jamaica... many programs other than medicine, a fully recognized world university. Its graduates are automatically recognized in Britain (no need to take the Pleb's)... and yet you have Saba ranked above them? what are you thinking?

Here's another problem - you have UAG listed twice... in the "Group 1" list and in the "Group 2" list. Can't decide? Or you think the school is big enough to be listed twice?

Here's one more problem... you have Spartan down as one of the top list schools... this is a school with a <20% USMLE pass rate, and which is listed in the state medical board website in Indiana as one of five schools from which no graduate will be eligible to obtain any licensing. Again, what are you thinking?

Why not recruit honestly?

[neilc]

a couple of points about the WHO list

1. the WHO is no longer maintaining a list...they got out of it due to all the headaches, i assume
2. ECFMG has an internal list now...your school must be on the ECFMG list to register for any exams. you can view the list on the website www.ecfmg.org

hope this helps! it is a lot easier to check now for exam eligibility...

good luck~!

[ecoli]

Originally Posted by soopa

could you comment on Ross 's ranking with regard to the attrition rate? i'm talking about the new grading system like US medical schools....many Ross students have told me this fail out business has gotten a lot better but it only started recently. do you have any info?

It is a good school because it has many residents, financial aids, and known to many program directors. It is not a good school for everyone. People with with excellent premedical background (3.3 or better in hard core sciences) are more likely to succeed because they tend to hold back students who otherwise would get a C.

[Infiri]

That is not true anymore, maybe in the old days but not with the new curve. With the new curve only 15% of the students can fail a class. and All of the students can pass... If you dont pass is not the schools fault is yours... Like I said only 15% can fail....
If you get a C you pass. not fail

[stephew]

Circus makes an accusation that "administrators" are posting the rankings. Please don't make direct accusations without proof. If you diagree, say so and present your own evidence.

[circus]

Here are some of the reasons that I say an administrator must have had a hand in making these rankings:

1. SABA is ranked above Ross and UAG. Ross is approved in all 50 states, as is UAG. UAG also has the 5th pathway. Both schools are approved for US Federal Loans. UAG has been around for decades. Ross has been around since the early 80's. Both have thousands of practicing graduates. Both have a solid reputation. SABA, although I feel it to be one of the more stable school's in the caribbean, yas yet to achieve california approval (the most difficult in the united states). it is also far younger, and has far fewer graduates.
2. SABA, Ross, and St. George's are ranked above UWI. UWI is a true university, supported by the governments of the west indies. It is recognized by the commonwealth, its graduates do not even have to take the Pleb's for licensure in Britain. It has funding, research, visiting students, hospitals, professors... it, in fact, does not truly belong in a discussion of "offshore medical schools," and certainly cannot be ranked lower on the list than SABA, AUC, and Ross, and only one ahead of Spartan.
3. Spartan is on the list as a "first tier" medical school in the caribbean. Spartan, although it has been around for a while, has a terrible USMLE pass rate, has former students teaching as professors, and is in fact listed on the Indiana State Medical Board's site of school's from which graduates are ineligible for licensing. There are only 4 schools on that list. I think that says something.
4. The list is completely incorrect about Windsor University. Windsor University is WHO listed, is located not in the Turks but in St. Kitts. If you access the St. Kitts governement website, they list Windsor University as an accredited institution of learning in their country. The students of Windsor are eligible to take all of ECFMG's examinations.
5. St. Matthews is listed as being a "first teir" university, located in Belize. As everyone familiar with this forum and network54 knows, there was a major administrative battle over the school in 2001 - 2002, and teh school has dissolved in Belize and relocated to ?? So this list is inaccurate in both the location of hte school and its stability.

I also disagree with the placement of Windsor in the list of universities to "not touch with a 10 foot pole." Again, whoever made that list of rankings was completley inaccurate in that Windsor is accredited in St. Kitts, and is WHO listed, and its students are eligible for and are sitting for USMLE examinations.

If this isn't a comprehensive enough list of reasons that I believe some school administrator came up with the rankings, then you can always ask for more information... I would be glad to discuss my views.